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To think Owen Jones is childish

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sandrabedminster · 13/06/2016 08:54

Owen Jones storms off sky news

I don't even get what his issue is, he's invited on to discuss the headlines and then runs off as he doesn't like how much attention the biggest story is getting.Confused

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MorrisZapp · 13/06/2016 17:28

I'm a liberal calling out homophobia in Islam. Is that ok, given that my own country was homophobic until recent generations? Who exactly is allowed to call out homophobia in Islam?

The lady in your quote seems to think it is nobody outside Islam.

Bolograph · 13/06/2016 17:29

He did it with a handgun and an AR-15

Talk about assault weapon bans is entirely missing the point. An AR-15 is a semi-automatic weapon chambered in 5.56x45. America has tens of millions of such rifles. A lot of them are AR-15 shaped and class as "assault rifles", but most of them are hunting rifles of various sorts. AR15s looks dead scary and military and shit (first picture), but there are far more "ranch guns" which fire the same ammunition out of essentially the same weapon in essentially the same way (second picture).

Ranch guns are used to go down to the postbox by people who live in bear country, and for hunting small game, and for dealing with wolves in cattle country. If you are a maniac who wants to shoot people in a club, the practical difference is zero: the laws on assault weapons are about the angle of the hand grip and the extent of the forearm and so on, but it's still a thing that goes bang every time you pull the trigger. There are also versions of the Ruger Mini 14 chambered in 7.62x39, which from ten yards away will be exactly the same as an AK47 if you get shot by it. It doesn't matter that the Mini 14 doesn't look as military (even though, actually, it's basically a 1950s military gun) it'll kill you precisely the same.

In a country with at least one gun for each of the 350m people, worrying about the presence of guns is irrelevant: even if you could wave a magic wand and have complete gun bans enacted in every state, you don't know where they are (you don't have to register guns other than exotic stuff which requires a federal firearms license). In the UK, there has been gun registration since 1916 and the numbers always were tiny apart from break-action shotguns. The ban post-Hungerford on semi-automatic rifles was easy to enact, likewise the post-Dunblaine ban on handguns. In the US, there's tens, perhaps hundreds, of millions of both, unregistered. The question is what makes people use them, and how to stop that, because you just won't be able to control the weapons in any useful way. It'd be lovely to think you can. But you can't.

To think Owen Jones is childish
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Egosumquisum · 13/06/2016 17:32

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MorrisZapp · 13/06/2016 17:35

The lady didn't mention political affiliation, she specifically said religion.

Her words, not mine.

She said we're taking the moral high ground and policing another persons religion despite our own not being supportive in the past.

She says not one word about the right or left wing, in that quote anyway.

AlPacinosHooHaa · 13/06/2016 17:35

Interesting how the same epithets are being used for him as gay man are used for women- emotional, sulky, stroppy unprofessional........

Interesting that you think this. My own DB is like OJ and he is not gay, I never even knew OJ is gay at all. I would use the same words as above and plenty more.

What masculine words should we be using to describe him?

I would use the same words to describe toddlers at times, no matter their sex.

Egosumquisum · 13/06/2016 17:37

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AlPacinosHooHaa · 13/06/2016 17:39

ego I was not aware of the republican angle to all of this, I am finding your posts interesting.

NotYoda · 13/06/2016 17:39

Ego

Yes

Egosumquisum · 13/06/2016 17:41

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MorrisZapp · 13/06/2016 17:42

I think some Republicans will criticise homophobia, while other Republicans couldn't care less about LGBT rights and will blame Islam. Lots of homophobic Republicans around.

I don't see a link from that to me not being allowed to call out homophobia in Islam.

AlPacinosHooHaa · 13/06/2016 17:45

Yes I understand that Confused but not the specific republican issues over it.

Egosumquisum · 13/06/2016 17:46

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KimmySchmidtsSmile · 13/06/2016 17:47

I do not know the guy but understand why he got frustrated.
The attack was a homophobic attack. An attack on the LGBT community in a gay club.
It was not simply an attack against the West/Western values. It was a hate crime.
To continue to say "may have been" on that broadcast, when it was clearly upsetting the guy, wasn't okay.
To then address the woman (Julia?) about the statement from Stonewall regarding how vulnerable the LGBT community would be feeling right now then added salt to the wound. The anchor handled it really badly in my view.
(don't know the three people, opinion based on the footage) therefore YABU.

BertrandRussell · 13/06/2016 17:50

"I don't see a link from that to me not being allowed to call out homophobia in Islam"
Who's stopping you?

MorrisZapp · 13/06/2016 17:50

Nobody is stopping me, sure. But the person you quoted thinks people outside Islam shouldn't police homophobia within Islam. Which I take massive issue with.

Egosumquisum · 13/06/2016 17:54

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almondpudding · 13/06/2016 17:54

Owen Jones was clearly too upset to do that interview.

The attack was both homophobic and carried out in the name of the Islamic state.

BertrandRussell · 13/06/2016 17:57

"Owen Jones was clearly too upset to do that interview."

Not til they started talking shit at him he wasn't!

Lynnm63 · 13/06/2016 17:59

Interesting how the same epithets are being used for him as gay man are used for women- emotional, sulky, stroppy unprofessional........
I called him sulky, stroppy and unprofessional because he was I used exactly the same words to describe John Prescott when he stormed out of an interview. I called out his behaviour not his sexuality.

MorrisZapp · 13/06/2016 18:01

What do you think that quote means and why did you post it?

almondpudding · 13/06/2016 18:01

That's part of the nature of TV news. Different people have different perspectives and discuss their different perspectives, even about tragedies.

The same thing happened with the Elliott Rodgers shootings. Different people had different perspectives on it, despite Rodgers making a whole video stating his motivations.

MorrisZapp · 13/06/2016 18:04

Exactly Lynn. It's the behaviour that was criticised not the sexuality. I thought he was rude, huffy and sulky. Like loads of pundits, of all stripes.

NotYoda · 13/06/2016 18:14

I think he was genuinely upset and lost his cool

Fine by me