To think Owen Jones is childish

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Owen Jones storms off sky news

I don't even get what his issue is, he's invited on to discuss the headlines and then runs off as he doesn't like how much attention the biggest story is getting.

It reads in my opinion that if you don't agree with OJ, you are out of Labour.

I think he was right to storm out. It looked so much like "look we even invited a gay man to talk about it". Then they got angry when he didn't agree with their narrative and just wanted to shut him up. I would never have seen the interview had he not stormed out, I bet that is true for many.

There is only the danger it becomes too much about Owen Jones now rather than the people who were attacked. But he is absolutely right, they were attacked for being members of the LGBT community. He also points out in his Guardian article of today that it should not be about him at all.

Jones is a regular contributor to that show and many others. He's a well known commentator, not a token gay person.

Yes Sunnsoo exactly. OJ is incapable of believing that a Muslim can be at fault.

emotions
"I saw the programme and as you rightly point put Ego there was a lot to discuss about the Orlando massacre which was reflected in the headlines and stories in the papers they were trying to review. The other two people were trying to discuss these alternative aspects and how various papers had run the story and what individual papers and people had said or focused on, however, Owen Jones only wanted one aspect to be discussed and only one point of view to be heard - his."

Totally agree, I watched it like a car crash He was unprofessional, sulky and an utter pita. If he had a point to make, he lost his chance because as usual it's all about him and his opinion only.

I'm baffled as to why you can't criticise another religion for being homophobic if your own religion used to be homophobic but has now progressed in line with modern values.

Interesting how the same epithets are being used for him as gay man are used for women- emotional, sulky, stroppy unprofessional........

"I'm baffled as to why you can't criticise another religion for being homophobic if your own religion used to be homophobic "

I'm baffled as to why you think you can't criticise any region for being homophobic!

He hasn't said anything horrific about gay people but would like to see same sex marriage overturned

It's posturing. The president can't do anything about same-sex marriage, because it is founded on a Supreme Court judgement, Obergefell v. Hodges, which in the US makes it constitutional. Primary legislation can't alter that, it would require a constitutional amendment which simply isn't going to happen, as that would require ratification by 38 states. So, rather like posturing on abortion, it allows him to pander to the bigotry of the flyover states without any risk that he might actually get what he claims to want and lose all the cities and coastal states. Abortion posturing is more dangerous because states can still make it very difficult for abortion providers, so the right to abortion is only available to the rich people in some states, and this is getting worse, but again that's not something presidents can influence.

Yes the world is so horribly misogynist Bertrand. How do we all cope? But can we discuss the issue of the 50 people murdered?

YABU. He's utterly right. And nothing he could have said would have made as much impact as what he did, so by walking out he has brought far more attention to the issue than staying.

Happy to. What would you like me to say?

And criticising homophobia in other religions is 'policing' it. As opposed to 'calling it out' as favoured by the tumblr sphere.

bertrand I assume that was aimed at me?
I used those words as they were apt, his performance last night was all those things, not because he's a man gay or otherwise. 🤔 Please don't put meanings on my words that aren't there.

Sorry, to be clear. I was responding to Egos post quoting an Orlando resident who thinks we shouldn't police homophobia in other religions because our own religion used to be homophobic.

I personally think all religions should be heavily policed and criticised for their hateful, outdated views where they display them.

"Well I'm glad we've established that. It's an attack against LGBT people in the name of Islam in a country where many Christians hate LGBT people and it is easy to buy guns"

That's exactly it, IMO

Really? You think Christianity has progressed and is no longer homophobic?

Islam has never had a reformation like Christianity did .That's isn't to say Christianity doesn't have some very flawed views on women, gays etc. The bible has passages no more enlightened than what you'd find in the Koran. But in the west we've much more liberal forms of religion that do not take the original text literally. But in many Islamic countries fundamentalism is very strong and spreading, and this isn't really being discussed, due the excessive fears among so many people to come across as 'Islamophobic'. OJ is a prime example.

He did not say it was only a homophobic hate crime

He was annoyed that the interviewer seemed w=t want to not characterise it as a hate crime at all