.. to think that "I fear for my sons" and ..

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"I feel sorry for my sons" are just new ways of saying "I hate feminists"?

Fearing that boys will be damaged by feminism is nonsense imo but that doesn't stop MRAs from saying it.

Absolutly agree, I don't think anyone can deny this.

If the discussion bothers you, you are under no obligation to read it or join in.

It doesn't bother me, I've been trying to work out WTF we were discussing.

Sorry - I didn't mean to leave this so long. Of course people worry about their children's futures. We all do. And many parents have very specific reasons to worry about their individual children. I worry about my daughter because she seems to be spectacularly bad at picking boyfriends and has a tendency to be mentally fragile and is hopeless at feeding herself properly. But I would never say "I worry for my daughters" and I don't think I have every heard anyone say this. I worry for my son, because he is a bit of a gobshite and doesn't always know when to shut up. And he will pile in to fights that aren't his. I am proud of him for this, but I worry. But I would never say "I worry for my sons"

Our children are growing up in a challenging world- the pornification of society is damaging for boys and girls, for example. I worry for my children.

It seems to me that when people say "I worry for my sons" ( generically- sons as in boys, rather than specifically- sons as in Rex and Toby) they often mean " I think my son is going to have a tougher time in the world because he will benefit less from male privilege" As if women's rights have taken something away from men. And I have often heard it used in discussions around consent. People seem very worried about false accusations of rape, for example.

Ranting about the MRA and reposting the OP when me and other posters are confused by the context of the OP isn't helping the discussion is it EveryoneElsie.

Most of us have asked for the context so we can be as informed as you so clearly are and join in.

the pornification of society is damaging for boys and girls, for example
I think this is the real problem. And I think both boys and girls are caught up in a horrific trap created by social media.

scone, you may feel differently if it was your son who was falsely accused of rape/assault and you saw the impact it had on their life.

I agree about social media derxa

I have never seen anyone expressing concern that their boys are losing 'male privilege' Bert

I took it to mean "I fear for my son because of feminism"

Doesn't sound right does it? Feminists are the good guys so a statement like that must be wrong.

However there are plenty unpleasant feminist ideas floating around that are unfair to men. All men are potential rapists for example. You can imagine a mother reading a thread on MN where this comes up, lot of posters agree, she thinks of her father, brother, husband and completely disagrees. She looks at her young son playing with his toys and thinks of his future as a perceived "potential rapist" and thinks "I fear/feel sorry for my son".

She's not anti feminism. We don't know what she might have read or heard that, while being called feminist, made her think twice.

But having said that I still don't know exactly what OP meant. This is what I thought she meant.

Calling someone anti-feminist because they disagree with one person's feminist views is just lazy anyway.

X post with you OP

The context I put your op in was very different to what you've just written!

The first page of this thread is clear enough and doesnt seem to need any further qualification.

The first page of this thread is clear enough and doesnt seem to need any further qualification.

That's obviously not true is it.
But It's been clarified now by the OP.

The first page clarified nothing.

"However there are plenty unpleasant feminist ideas floating around that are unfair to men. All men are potential rapists for example"

Is that unfair to men? Isn't it just the truth? That's why teaching our children about consent is so absolutely vital.

It wasn't a TAAT- if it was it's a coincidence. I don't know about any other thread either.

I supopose it depends how it's phased and presented...

Any man could be a rapist vs All men are potential rapists

YABU. It has nothing to do with "hating feminists, that is an utterly bizarre thing to say. It has everything to do with the fact that a number of posters believe males are all paedophiles, murdwrers and rapists until proved otherwise. I hope my sons never ever come across those idiots or the females they have raised.

And "I worry for my sons" is generally said by people with more than one, hence the plural.

I don't have daughters, so I don't "worry for my daughters".

I do however think that the world holds very different challenges for all our children than it did for us.
The normalisation of poem sex & easy availability & normalisation of what used to be seen as more hardcore porn is worrying for all.

I also have a problem with 'we believe you'; you just have to look at the amount of dv & rape related troll threads on MN with countless posters saying 'I believe you' on the strength of nothing more than someone making an accusation.
I don't have a solution, I hate that in rl people aren't believed, but I do still feel uncomfortable with the blind belief aspect.

Lol, I meant porn sex obviously not 'poem sex'

scone, you may feel differently if it was your son who was falsely accused of rape/assault and you saw the impact it had on their life.

Well said!!

Scone You continue to worry about your daughter and I will continue to worry about my sons (I know that bothers you that I worry about my sons but I can't find a shit to give. Get over it) I don't agree that your daughter being raped "trumps" my sons being falsely accused of rape. Both are valid reasons to worry as parents and both fuck their lives up in different ways!!

Internalised mysogyny, internalised homophobia, internalised transphobia. They are real things.

Only in the world where people talk about trigger warnings, safe spaces, non-binary/CIS men are evil and other claptrap.

The idea that a woman can be misogynistic and yet blame a man for it genuinely leaves me speechless.

Is internalised homophobia when a gay person hates gay people and blames straight people for their feelings? The mind boggles!