.. to think that "I fear for my sons" and ..

[BertrandRussell]

"I feel sorry for my sons" are just new ways of saying "I hate feminists"?

'I have seen men being touched up, groped, pawed at and putting up with lewd comments, just as I have women.

Nowhere near on the same scale, but I have seen it.'

Mango - What do you think of my point that, while it does happen both ways, the power dynamic is different?

I agree with the power dynamic, yes.

Yes, obvious massive difference most of the time especially the type of people who do harass in that way.
Is the term physically imposing as well as harrassing?

To be honest, I've never seen a woman/women grope men on the tube. I have seen it happen to women and have had it happen to me though.

I think it is a statistical fact that women experience more of it than men do, but this doesn't mean that men aren't distressed when it does happen to them.

The difference is that when men harass or assault theres the implied risk of danger with saying no.
Which exists because it is often dangerous to say no, resist or try to leave. It may end in name calling, or it may become violent.

Yes, I agree with the power dynamics generally speaking.

Yabu for not posting this on the feminist topic section.

Why should I have posted in the feminist section?

This whole thread is based on what you assume people mean when they say "I fear for my sons".

I have never actually heard anyone say this in RL

On MN I've only ever heard it in the context of worrying about our own particular male children, as many others have explained

When men are harassed by groups of women, do men generally fear that those women will become violent/rape them?

For goodness sake we all know it's men who are groping across the whole planet. So bad is it that in places like India and Japan they have to consider female only transport. The idea we might have equal numbers of female gropers is ridiculous.

The heroes of the American rape case are men - the two Swedish men who found the unconscious woman being raped. They are the kind of feminist men we hope our sons are.

"To be honest, I've never seen a woman/women grope men on the tube

If I said that about women being sexually assaulted I'd be ripped to shreds"

Well- presumably you couldn't say it because if you've travelled on the tube at all you will have done.

I have never met a man who was groped by a woman apart from when working in bars and restaurants frequented by hen parties. Which is, of course, utterly vile. And I absolutely believe people who tell me it happens in other places too. But surely not the same as the day to day hassle women get on, for example, the London Underground?

Is there a reason why the incidents where groups of women turn violent/sexually assault men aren't reported in the press Voyage? I ask because I've never heard of a single case of it ever happening, but given that you say it happens I'm wondering about the disparity.

It's ironic, Bertrand, that for an advocate of "we believe you" so many of your posts in this thread have been expressing disbelief. Well, it could be ironic, or it could just be sexist, since you seem to disbelieve any account of abuse or harassment of men.

he idea we might have equal numbers of female gropers is ridiculous.

Hello new goady poster. No one on this thread has said this.

thesparrow

Have you never seen a man have a drink thrown in his face? I've seen plenty of women do this when their sexual advances have been turned down.
My friend was out when a girl went to grope him. When he told her to get off she slapped him in the face.
The reason things like this aren't reported is because it's seen as acceptable, where as if a man threw a drink at a woman or slapped him in the face, it would be very different.

Bernard stated that she has only seen it in one context
Which is, of course, utterly vile. And I absolutely believe people who tell me it happens in other places too.

That is not disbelief.

If you're going to C&P, VoyageofDad, it's pretty bad form to do it selectively.

I said-
"I have never met a man who was groped by a woman apart from when working in bars and restaurants frequented by hen parties. Which is, of course, utterly vile. And I absolutely believe people who tell me it happens in other places too. But surely not the same as the day to day hassle women get on, for example, the London Underground?"

Slarti- this thread would be much more interesting if we tried not to attribute things to each other that we neither said nor thought. Do you think that's a good idea?

See I really don't get why it's acceptable for a woman to do those things to a man Umbongo Of course most people see it as wrong, but it's easily shrugged off isn't it?
Some people would actually find it funny!

It isn't acceptable for a woman to do those things. Has anybody said it is?