AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is even more of a tw--a--it...

[GigiB]

.. she really is. Check out this headline:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3627352/KATIE-HOPKINS-Welcome-Midsummer-madness-Ramadan.html

who wants to help me plot how to get her put in a box and posted to the north pole with no ski's?

As far as her claims about driving are concerned, a quick google reveals that in Muslim countries (Pakistan, UAE, Yemen, Qatar) warnings are issued about increased risks on the road and the rise in fatalities during Ramadan.

This time last year a postman who had been fasting for 11 hours killed a man in Dudley with his van.

The grooming gangs were and are wrong.
So is isis.
So were all those priests and popes and who ever else have done the same

My hubby is from pakistan and ive been there during fasting and theres never been any warnings 😒

No Bill, you still can't equate an isolated incidence in Jordan (for which the motive for is still unclear) event during armed conflict, with a religious practice followed by over billion people, however much you would like to.

Spectre8 - wikiIslam is not a reputable place for statistics, as it is anti-Islam site.

Thank you crystalgall. Every year, it's the same on here. I've always worked without problems in Ramadan, thank you very much.

For me, I don't feel thirsty, it's just hunger pangs around lunchtime. However, considering vast swathes of Mumsnet are on some sort of diet, I don't think that makes me particularly special.

So were all those priests and popes and who ever else have done the same

Yep. And one of the reasons why priests who did it got away with it for so long was because certain sections of society had decided that because of religious considerations they should stand above criticism. If it was discovered it was hushed up because the reputation of the religion as a whole was seen as more important than abuses against individuals.

Essentially the Catholic Church was a monolith which many people viewed as an entity above criticism. A protected organisation which was above censure. Which basically allowed a lot of individuals within it to do some frankly despicable things in the full knowledge that they'd get away with it because to criticise them was to criticise the church which wouldn't be tolerated.

You'd think we'd learn. But no, people are rushing to do the same thing with Islam and are perfectly happy to call on the law to create a group above criticism (regardless of how true that criticism is) just because the preservation of that religions reputation is more important than any harm done to individuals which is hushed up as inconvenient.

So from a factual perspective, there have been no reputable studies and therefore no evidence in either direction.

I'd say it would be beneficial to prove fasting is safe for all by studying it, rather than assuming racism if someone should question it. It's a shame it hasn't been studied in any detail and I hope that it will be.

That's interesting IPity that you don't feel thirsty, as someone inclined towards being thirsty I can't imagine going without a drink for very long, no more than an hour. But I guess that might well be shaped by my childhood experience of dehydration.

I feel for her children. She may earn good money and give them a good education but how do they feel about what she does?

I don't wish to get involved in the debate about Muslim but Katie Hopkins inspires me as a mother. Everything she writes about her children warms my heart. I find it tragic that people think she wouldn't be a good mother just because they disagree with her political views.

Somebody actually called social services on Katie Hopkins. I guess they thought to themselves 'her politics are right of centre, so she must be a crap mother and her children must be in danger.' People have forgotten how to disagree respectfully. If someone sees the world differently from you it doesn't mean they're a bad mother.

Also, not everyone who reads the Daily Mail is thick, though I will accept that thickos do seem to flock there en masse and feel quite at home spouting ignorant nonsense to each other. Doesn't mean all the readers are thick.

She inspires you as a mother?!?!?!

You know she will be passing on her bigoted views (about everything not just Muslims) to her children who will then grow up to be just as bigoted God help them. I feel
Sorry for her children.

How about instilling kindness and compassion in her children? That would be inspiring. Ffs.

Also do you think she 'disagrees respectfully'?! She is a vile hate filled person

I think 30 days of fasting and no drinking during daylight has no place in the modern world.

I used to work with a whole load of guys from Pakistan (about 80 guys mostly new grads) who were appalling to work with during Ramadan. Short tempered, ineffective at their work, expecting us to not eat/drink in their presence. No idea just where the other 90pct of the company were meant to eat.

Yesterday my 8 yr old said the 5 Muslim kids in her class told the other kids it was wrong to eat their lunch in front of them. Here in Aus we have no lunch rooms- kid eat in classroom before they go to play. The fasters did not want to go outside as they felt too cold.

Making/allowing pre-pubescent growing children to fast is so wrong

You are calling her vile and hate filled because you disagree with her politics. Then, the politics that you agree with, are known as 'kindness and compassion.'

So from a factual perspective, there have been no reputable studies and therefore no evidence in either direction

Not a study as such but the Olympian rower who was a Muslim, Moe Shibi, had his body performance and weight checked scientifically during Feb 2012, ahead of Olympics and Ramadan. The dramatic results on his body would have prevented him competing.

'I think 30 days of fasting and no drinking during daylight has no place in the modern world.'

Exactly .. and dangerous in the workplace.

I admire Katie Hopkins speaking up here where others fear to tread.

I admire Katie Hopkins speaking up here where others fear to tread.

The funny thing is that OP could easily have started a debate about the health effects of fasting since that's mostly what the thread turned out to be, without making it a debate about Katie Hopkins and her qualities as a human being (who is entitled to her opinion just like all of us) and even her qualities as a mother.

Look at all these Katie Hopkin minions . The last time the fasts were this long was back in the 80's when I was born...I wonder how many people knew/cared about "the danger of fasting Muslims" back then. The only reason it's being made an issue now is because of what's happening in the world and people like KH and Donald Trump inciting hate and scare mongering idiots people into believing everything associated with Islam is bad.

I feel quite lucky to live in a city where people are open minded and accepting of other people's religion and culture. My dd's best friend (8 yrs old) who is Christian came around to play before Easter and declined pudding because she was giving up sweet things and treats for lent. I found it quite endearing. We talked about Ramadan and how our religions are similar. This is how we all should be living, not slandering each other's beliefs and culture and making assumptions about whether someone is capable or not. I can't belief how hate filled some people are.

Anyway, dh and I had our peaceful breakfast (without the kids!) and loads of water, and now no eating until 9.20pm. So about 18.5 hours.

the last time fasts were this long was back in the 80s

That is absolute nonsense . Ramadan covers the longest day this year and it covered the longest day last year....

She has got a point - would you want to be driven home by someone who hasn't eaten for 20 hours?

Yes, it's really not a big deal. Get the fucking bus if you're that bothered.

What do you want to do, ban fasting?

The shitty excuses people come up with to make Muslims look bad are getting worse.

I completely agree with her article

But of course people are generally scared to admit that as they'll get roundly savaged from the PC brigade.

WhisperingLolly

Buttock is right, not sure why you think it's nonsense!0?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36459143

I am just interested why threads appear in outrage whenever Islam is targeted as such, yet posters here happily and often degrade Christ and Christianity.

So don't you have a voice on those threads? Why don't you challenge them?

In the workplace a worker is entitled to an uninterrupted break of 20 minutes when working around six hours.

This idea to rest, have a drink and something to eat, was set in The Organisation of Working Time Act 1997. There must have been a reason for that - to do with health and well being at work.

So how is extreme fasting OK if you are a worker?

I don't think it is OK.

No offence OP, but it's better to ignore her.

Generating clicks to her article will only encourage the DM to keep her on. "Oo look at me, I'm so controversial, I am!" Is her sole USP.

leelu

First day of Ramadan fast was 18:32 hours
Last day will be 18:23.

Last year first day of Ramadan fast was 18:38 hours, last day was 18:23.

Ramadan both this year and last year will cover the longest day of the year.

I haven't done a day by day analysis on the time between Fajr and Magrib throughout each Ramadan so it may well be that aggragated over 30 days the fast is a couple of minutes longer this year than last but it is absolute nonsense to claim that the length of fasts this year hasn't occurred since the 80s in order to bolster a tenuous position.

I'm a non practicing Muslim. I've lived in the ME for 40 years. Katie Hopkins is vile but she is right about the effects fasting can have on people's ability to drive safely. I know because we have the road traffic figures to prove it. I also know that at a family dinner last night people were saying things such as - I'm dreading being out on the roads tomorrow and it's going to be much worse because of the heat.

For the last few weeks the police have been issuing traffic awareness bulletins in the newspapers a few times a week.

They know it's needed.