AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is even more of a tw--a--it...

[GigiB]

.. she really is. Check out this headline:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3627352/KATIE-HOPKINS-Welcome-Midsummer-madness-Ramadan.html

who wants to help me plot how to get her put in a box and posted to the north pole with no ski's?

*The surgeon or anaesthetist is on day 20 of a 20 hr a day fast, hasn't been sleeping much because have a distended stomach/eating at a strange hour, they've not eaten for 18 hours so far today. How happy would you be?

I would say that's a pretty incompetent surgeon. Which is why most Muslim doctors wouldn't fast before surgery. They would break fast and make up for it later, or schedule the surgery for first thing in the morning. etc.

They're Muslim, not fucking stupid.*

Yup.

Air Crew are also generally inclined to leave their fasting for when on leave, or if they can't do that - they just don't fast and pay their dues.

air crew would be considered travellers and they are exempt from fasting whilst travelling, especially long haul as you go form one zone to another and you can't fast as you are not in one place to follow the rules of fasting. They are expected to make their fast up when they are not travelling.

I've not read the KH article, I have no intention of doing so.

I have friends who are medics and they manage Ramadan and their work. They do not put their patients lives in danger nor their own. They take the exemptions allowed them.

ah yeh the Newfie accent sounds like Irish doesnt it?
Honestly anyone who thinks Irish didn't get a hard time in the 70s and 80s is deluding themselves.

ah yeh the Newfie accent sounds like Irish doesnt it?

So I discovered that day!

Or are only people of whom you "approve" allowed to be Muslim

Dont be ridiculous. Oh and if you're going to say things like that you really should be very sure of a persons background before saying it. Im actually Scottish. I came here to the ME with my Arab husband in 1977. Im not a practicing Muslim and I couldnt care less who's a Muslim and who isn't.

As for 'revert' - you might find this link helpful

islam.about.com/od/converts/g/revert_gt.htm

air crew would be considered travellers and they are exempt from fasting whilst travelling, especially long haul as you go form one zone to another and you can't fast as you are not in one place to follow the rules of fasting. They are expected to make their fast up when they are not travelling

I know. My son and son in law are both pilots.

Well in that case I am even more confused Tattie because I have simply suggested that fasting for an extended period can and demonstrably does have an impact on driving and using machinery. I don't see that view as being inconpatible with anything - it's self- evident.

Well in that case I am even more confused Tattie because I have simply suggested that fasting for an extended period can and demonstrably does have an impact on driving and using machinery

Yes. And I think you'll find that I agreed with you.

Yes Young.

How can extreme fasting be good for you. It can't. It drains your energy and makes you tired and grumpy.

This isn't a religious argument - it's just common sense. and about health and safety at work.

Agree with you too Tattie

In that case I apologize for getting the wrong end of the stick

Apology accepted YoungGirl.

With regards to 'revert' - I should have taken the time to add the link from the outset rather than just rush off a 4 or 5 word reply that didn't sound very nice when I re-read it.

She just uses any stick she can to bash Muslims with. Yes, fasting can lead to issues for some, however I work with several Muslims and not once have I noticed any difference in their output or manner. True it's just desk work and not heavy lifting but like an earlier poster has mentioned how many articles have there been about someone crashing a car or being found negligent due to fasting for Ramadam? Offhand, not read any myself.
She is a hateful person, through and through, who just uses her vile opinions to get headlines and further her own career.

Every day is a school day Tattie - had never heard that word before

How can extreme fasting be good for you. It can't. It drains your energy and makes you tired and grumpy.

Sure. Extreme fasting would do this. But as many of us have pointed out, Ramadan isn't extreme fasting. There are a lot of rules and advice and ways to do it safely and it isn't "mandatory" in the way Hopkins is making it seem.

Every day is a school day Tattie - had never heard that word before

Its only in the last 5 years or so that the use of 'revert' has become mainstream so to speak and I can recall the first time I heard it being used I was like 'what'? What does that mean? Well, truth be told it was more like a 'whats she on about'?

Personally I think a person can use whatever term they like but if you're living the life you're now aware of the term and can be prepared for someone else saying to you - its revert. Not that they'd say it like that. That only happens here

Blindsider - in the north of Scotland it's more than 20 hrs. I woke up sun morning to daylight, it was 2am.

Wow you live and learn - you then must be on about 21-22 then

Also I fail to see how Ramadan which is a movable feast if you pardon the pun hasn't covered June for the last 33 years unless it was just as bad last year...

Has covered June last year and the year before. Ramadan starts ten days earlier each year. So eg it started on 7th June this year, it will start on 28th May next year (give or take a day each side depending on the moon sighting).

It has happened in summer and has been summer fasts for several years now.

Blind, Ramadan is approx 10 days earlier every year so a people know that next year Ramadan will be a bit easier, then a bit easier the year after that.....then in about 18 years people will be fasting in the Uk in middle of a UK winter and fasting hours will be very short. Whereas here in the Middle East the winter fast is more or less the same as the summer fast time wise but its easier because its cooler.

Yes I agree Muslim people are not stupid generally as much as any other people is not stupid and I would hope will know when not to fast. Especially in front of life saving surgery.

But I also think it should be considered racist or offensive to question whether this is the case.

I dislike Katie Hopkins as much as the next person with her offensive views. But surely questioning whether people are safely carrying out their jobs is not offensive and she has a point.

"Don't think it should be"

And are not stupid

She's bonkers, has she run up Regent Street naked yet with a halal sausage up her arse?

I could get her one. Or would that be feeding a troll?