To think that smoking in a cafe garden is selfish?

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I was in a cafe for lunch earlier, beautiful weather so sat in the garden at the back to eat, and there were a few people smoking as they ate/drank.
I understand that it's an outdoor space, and it's legal, but to smoke in such close proximity to other people who are enjoying a meal, is just selfish.
I also understand that I could have sat inside, but I didn't want to sit inside on such a nice day.
It just really irritates me, can they not last 30 mins or an hour without a fag?

Vaping isn't smoking at all.

So nerr.

Yanbu. They are selfish. Because everyone's selfish. We all want to do what we want don't we?
Taking my kids out and about we've encountered smokers, drunks, pollution, people smoking weed, making drug deals, swearing, arguing, fighting (not all in one day!) Just out shopping or eating in our local town.
It's shit

I was behind two people vaping last week. I was getting covered in billows of smoke. I know it's supposed to be harmless but I don't like way you hold your breath and squish up your eyes as you do natural when smoke is coming right at you. I waited few mintuees let them get head start down the road.

I'd love the option of outdid smoking or non smoking. Shame it's all seems de fault smoking. Even my narrow high street it's running gaulet of smoke from every other door way or coffee shop tables. It's nasty. Or my personal favorite going outside a coffee shop to smoke and standing within inch of open door way so it blows in that's class.

YABU. The cafe allow it and the law allows it so you have the choice to sit outside and enjoy the sun but put up with the smoke or sit inside smoke free without the sun. You chose the first option so why complain now?

Who chose the first option? Since when did it have to be an either/or choice?

I was behind two people vaping last week. I was getting covered in billows of smoke. I know it's supposed to be harmless but I don't like way you hold your breath and squish up your eyes as you do natural when smoke is coming right at you. I waited few mintuees let them get head start down the road.

It's not smoke it's just steam.
I get irritated when people compare it to smoking. I bloody gave up smoking and was a social outcast and now this is my best chance of avoiding cigs forever and then still being a social outcast

I don't smoke but YABU. Where the fuck else are smokers supposed to have a fag?

The question assumes that smokers absolutely have to have somewhere to have a fag. Why?

And as for the question "Where the fuck else"? Seriously? You're sitting in a pub garden. You've got the whole of the great outdoors to have your fag. Why do you have to have it a few feet away from people who are harmlessly eating their meals? Why do you have the right to indulge your totally non-essential habit in such a way as to spoil their day when you could avoid it by walking away?

YANBU. Utterly selfish.

I'm off to Greece soon where nary a glance will come my way if I light up. Halle-bloody-lluiah.

YABU.

And a Greek meal isn't authentic if there's no fag ash in it from the puffing away chef

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It was only nine years ago the ban on smoking indoors came in. How on earth did people cope before that? Oh I remember. There weren't so many sanctimonious arses around, people were just more tolerant, and most importantly there were adult places where the CHILDREN didn't trump all others.

I remember too. It wasn't a question of not being sanctimonious, you just didn't have a choice. So if you went out the evening you risked your meal being ruined by some arsehole blowing his smoke in your face. If you went to a pub or bar, you would end up with sore eyes and a nasty tasting, dry throat, and your hair and clothes stinking. The non-smoking carriages in trains would be packed out so your had a choice of being squashed or going in the smoking carriage and sitting on grubby, smelly seats in amongst the cigarette butts and with that awful smell.

I particularly remember sitting in on a meeting where the three other participants were smokers. I was junior and in no position to complain. I reached a point when my eyes were streaming and I just had to ask to open the window, and got treated like dirt by these inconsiderate idiots.

So no, we weren't more tolerant, we just put up with it, and historically non-smokers obviously put up with it for a hell of a lot longer than 9 years. After all that, you cannot imagine the bliss of coming back from a social evening without your hair and clothes stinking, and of not being driven away because the air had become virtually unbreathable. But what was particularly blissful was the fact that it was recognised, at last, that the rights of the smoker didn't automatically trump all, and that yes, maybe it actually is socially acceptable to ask not to have to breathe in smoke.

I think it is a bit selfish to smoke while people are eating in a way that disturbs them. It's different if it is a bar where people are drinking outside rather than eating - though even then I think smokers should do their best to make sure the smoke stays away from everyone else.

Ultimately, it's not that difficult to be a bit considerate towards other people and try not to ruin their meal - whether that is by being overly loud, obviously drunk or by smoking (though actually it's the overly loud people I find most objectionable!)

Yabu, smoking is legal. Smokers pay good money for there addiction. The rules are outside not in inclosed places... Bla bla bla. I would rather sit next to a smoker out side a cafe/pub than screaming kids, (who shouldn't be in pubs if u ask me) I can't tell them to go inside can I, it's a free country they say, as long as it's within the law it's fine. I am a ex smoker btw, now addicted to ecig instead. Until the government ban fags, I don't see a problem with beer gardens etc.

Yes it was never just got on with. If you were going out you knew everything including cost would have to go in wash everything would stink probable need hair wash before bed to get rid of smell. It was that or never go out.

*cost

*coat!!!!

Yabu. The cafe didn't mind it, it is perfectly legal. If you don't like it that's fine but doesn't change it imo.
As a non-smoker I'd rather sit beside a smoker than someone with badly behaved kids.

Before the smoking ban came in DP and I were in a cafe which had downstairs for smokers, upstairs for non smokers. At the time we both smoked.

There was a long-ish queue for the upstairs but a few seats downstairs - though not any empty tables just odd seats here and there. A woman decided to sit downstairs and came to our table. Where she demanded that we didn't smoke because she hated it and it would spoil her meal.
So she jumped the queue and then imposed her standards on us.

Because we're nice people we obliged, but it still rankles.

I'm always fascinated by how aggressive and entitled smokers become on these threads. Clearly their addiction doesn't calm them down at all.

It doesn't really.
My kids tell me I am so so much calmer now I don't smoke actual cigarettes. I VAPE but apparently now I am much nicer mummy

The rain got me in the end Derek. The bloody endless rain