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An endangered gorilla has been shot dead after a 4-yo fell into its zoo enclosure

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AdrenalineFudge · 29/05/2016 20:32

Why the fuck has this happened... again - to another endangered species?

A little boy fell into an enclosure and the zoo staff decided the best course of action was to shoot the gorilla dead.

I'm not even sure who I'm most angry at. This should not have happened in the first place.

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Highsteaks · 31/05/2016 11:32

There's lots of other potential dangers at a zoo I'd guard against but preventing a child entering an area with a drop high enough to kill them and a dangerous animal at the bottom wouldn't feature on my list of things to be super concerned about because I wouldn't dream for one second that it was possible

Yeah but if your child had been saying over abd over how he wanted to get into the enclosure wouldn't you be extra vigilant? Not because you think be might actually be able do so, but because you think he might run off/start climbing fences etc in an attempt.to do so?

Highsteaks · 31/05/2016 11:33

What the fuck has the dad's criminal record have to do with this? The DM must have jizzed everywhere when that little detail came to light.

NeedACleverNN · 31/05/2016 11:34

^^

I wouldn't! I would have told my child no you are not going to play with the gorillas because he will hurt you but not for one second would I think they would have been able to access the enclosure

Buttercupsandaisies · 31/05/2016 11:37

I don't think most people would presume it possible to get into an enclosure so wouldn't take any comments seriously!

My understanding is that there were bushes before the fence so it may not have been obvious to the parents that it was accessible. I certainly wouldn't have thought so. Also witnesses said he was missing only seconds but as he was out of sight they were one step behind - so even if it took him a few minutes to get in the enclosure, he may have been noticed missing after a second or two but they couldn't see hi due to bushes. So easily done.

Zoo 100% at fault imo as sad it is

green18 · 31/05/2016 11:39

What the fuck has the dad's criminal record have to do with this? Well it might give an insight into the type of parenting that this child had.

Bearpeep · 31/05/2016 11:40

What the fuck has the dad's criminal record have to do with this? Well it might give an insight into the type of parenting that this child had.

Stereotyping much?

Bearpeep · 31/05/2016 11:42

I would have told my child no you are not going to play with the gorillas because he will hurt you but not for one second would I think they would have been able to access the enclosure

Same here. I'd have said no, which the mother was witnessed to have said, and I'd have presumed that the animals would be unaccessible to a small child.

green18 · 31/05/2016 11:42

Yes probably. A parent who breaks the law,is capable of awful crimes puts his child in danger of losing him to HMP. A very different father to most.

Highsteaks · 31/05/2016 11:43

Yes but what if they ran off to the other side of the enclosure in a bid to get in and you lost them? I don't know, I think if my kid was saying he wanted to get in, then while I might never think they actually could, I still wouldn't want them getting lost while they run off trying to look for a way in or something. It would just set off my alarms slightly, but not.because I thought they would get in the enclosure.

I'm always a bit more alert round the enclosures of animals anyway, just because I don't think we should be shouting and running around and shaking fences and all the other things you seem to see kids doing at zoos, but maybe I'm just a bit over anxious anyway.

green18 · 31/05/2016 11:45

I'm always a bit more alert round the enclosures of animals anyway, just because I don't think we should be shouting and running around and shaking fences and all the other things you seem to see kids doing at zoos, but maybe I'm just a bit over anxious anyway.
I agree, have seen kids banging on glass panels next to the sign saying please don't bang on the glass, parents cba to stop them.

Bearpeep · 31/05/2016 11:48

A parent who breaks the law,is capable of awful crimes puts his child in danger of losing him to HMP. A very different father to most.

The father wasn't there, the mother was, and she was witnessed to have told the boy he couldn't go in the water. She was also witnessed to have noticed he was missing almost immediately and to have been searching for him.

Unless you are privy to exactly what goes on inside their home then you can't possibly know how well or poorly the child is parented. All you can go off is what happened on the day.

green18 · 31/05/2016 11:49

I disagree bear . I had heard/read that the mother was with the father at the zoo.

LogicalThinking · 31/05/2016 11:56

LogicalThinking that was just a picture of one i found. we used a different type with no probems
So what? I used one and my child could undo it very easily. And I would be unlikely to use it in a place like a zoo as I would have expected the environment to be relatively safe.

Even if my child expressed a desire to go and play with the animals, I wouldn't imagine that they would actually try to get in, but most of all, I wouldn't for a second imagine that getting into an enclosure would even be possible!

Children get lost and separated from their parents for all kinds of reasons - not just neglectful parents. The enclosure should not have been accessible by a 4 year old child.

Bearpeep · 31/05/2016 12:52

green even if the father was there, how does speculation upon his parenting skills have any bearing whatsoever on what happened?

Child went missing. Mother started looking for child. Child already out of sight in bushes. Child drops into enclosure. Mother attempts to get into enclosure to rescue him. Mother them works with staff to reassure child while they decide the best course of action.

I'm not sure what the point is that you're trying to make. Does a criminal record automatically make someone a shitty parent and no criminal record automatically makes them a good one?

mamamea · 31/05/2016 13:48

"Dian Fossey was trained by Jane Goodall and spent years working with her with chimpanzees before she was allowed to go an work with gorillas."

Absolute nonsense.

Back in the 60s/70s, the people working with gorillas/chimpanzees/orangutans didn't have the first idea what they were doing. It was all very much amateur trial and error. And indeed that was Louis Leakey's idea, when he sent his young female protegés off to Africa and Indonesia. Dian Fossey certainly did not spend 'years' with Jane Goodall.

"I had the wonderful opportunity to meet with Jane Goodall and talk to her about her experiences and she showed me her half missing finger and a few other scars that were caused by her being around an agitated chimp at the wrong time. "

We are talking about gorillas here.

"Jane Goodall and Fossey also speak of the way chimps and gorillas wage war against other tribes and murder their young as displays of dominance. They are not as gentle as you would like to believe."

Fossey is dead. And she certainly did not promulgate the idea that gorillas (which are not chimps) were violent. In fact, she preferred them to the humans in the area. Certainly if you look at the facts there are no incidents of humans on gorilla treks being killed by gorillas, whereas there are many incidents of humans on gorilla treks being killed by humans.

MrsJayy · 31/05/2016 14:32

What mamamea said dian fossey did her own research as did Jane Goodall and the woman who went to Indonesia whos name I can't remember

HandsomeGroomGiveHerRoom · 31/05/2016 14:48

You wouldn't see one dragging a baby gorilla through the water like that.

Unless they were intent on killing it maybe, which they do sometimes. Splitting hairs sorry, Youre Blush

PhilPhilConnors · 31/05/2016 16:57

Not sure it's helpful comparing this gorilla, in an unnatural environment with loads of noise around, to Dian Fossey's experiences - gorillas in their own environment, observed with utmost respect.

Eeshkapeesh · 31/05/2016 17:57

Whilst we keep animals in captivity and encourage people to pay to look at them, situations like this are inevitable from time to time. It is tragic, but hopefully it'll bring to light the real tragedy - that zoos exist in 2016.

Nataleejah · 31/05/2016 18:03

Not sure it's helpful comparing this gorilla, in an unnatural environment with loads of noise around, to Dian Fossey's experiences - gorillas in their own environment, observed with utmost respect.

There are very good and insightful comments on FB by Captain Paul Watson. Here's the latest.

The Uproar Continues.
Commentary by Captain Paul Watson
The uproar continues over the death of Harambe and rightfully so.
Some of the comments that I have received are extremely ignorant like the ones saying that the gorilla would have eaten the child.
Gorillas do not eat meat.
Back in 1986 a young boy fell into the gorilla enclosure in Jersey, (U.K.) The silverback there was named Jambo. He came to the boy and gently touched him and then stood back and guarded the boy while two zookeepers and a medic jumped in to retrieve the child. None of them men were attacked and the boy's injuries were from the fall, not from the gorilla.
For those who have expressed outrage at me by saying that the life of an endangered lowland gorilla is more important than a human child I can only say that it is this type of anthropocentric outlook that is the cause of so much animal suffering in this world.
All species are interdependent. From a purely ecological point of view the life of an endangered species is indeed more important that the life of a species that numbers in excess of 7.5 billion.
But that is not even an issue because the child in this case was not in danger.
The zoo said they could not use tranquilizer darts for fear the gorilla would fall upon the child. This is not logical because the same consequence could have happened with bullets. Firemen were there and they could have used a fire hose to separate the gorilla from the child although there was no need because the gorilla did not intend to cause harm to the child.
If the zoo-keepers had the courage and the intelligence displayed by the three men in Jersey, the gorilla would have been saved along with the boy.
That boy was with the gorilla for 10 minutes while humans screamed irrationally, contributing nothing to the situation but chaos. Harambe did not cause any harm to the boy because he was not dangerous. The only dangerously violent animals were the humans with their guns.
I was touched by what Jerry Stones had to say about the gorilla that he knew from the time he was born.
Jerry Stones raised Harambe since birth and said he's spent the past day in tears after finding the endangered Silverback had been killed by zoo officials a day after the gorilla's 17th birthday.
“An old man can cry, too,” Stones, 74, told the Daily News. “He was a special guy in my life. Harambe was my heart. It's like losing a member of the family.”
Stones looked after the beloved primate for a majority of Harambe's life, before he got transferred to the Cincinnati Zoo last year.
“I raised him from a baby, he was a sweet cute little guy,” Stones recalled. “He grew up to be a pretty, beautiful male. He was very intelligent. Very, very intelligent,” Stones reiterated. "His mind was going constantly. He was just such a sharp character." “It tore me a new one,” Stones said, after receiving news of the slaying.
Silverback gorillas, who can live up to 60 years in captivity, tend to be "gentle giants," Stones said. “It’s a tragic set of circumstances that left a beautiful young gorilla in a situation that was foreign and ultimately ended up being dangerous for him,” Stones said.
Gorillas should not be traded around like football players. Harambe lived peacefully in Texas for 16 years. He died in Ohio within a year because of negligence, ignorance and incompetence.

HelenaDove · 31/05/2016 18:18

Nat that is absolutely heartbreaking. Sad

Wonder if the father of the boy was thinking of other peoples kids and teens and what harm he may have been contributing to when he was involved in drug trafficking.

Fairuza · 31/05/2016 18:19

Except, the gorilla was causing harm.

Nataleejah · 31/05/2016 18:30

Why was a child unhurt if the gorilla was 'causing harm'?

Fairuza · 31/05/2016 18:32

You try dragging your child around by the foot in a concrete, water filled moat and see if you can argue you're causing no harm.

MrsJayy · 31/05/2016 18:50

A gorilla his size is more powerful than anyman he may not have intent but he could have killed that child if the 4yrold was killed then folk would be screeching why did a child die why did nobody stop the animal