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An endangered gorilla has been shot dead after a 4-yo fell into its zoo enclosure

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AdrenalineFudge · 29/05/2016 20:32

Why the fuck has this happened... again - to another endangered species?

A little boy fell into an enclosure and the zoo staff decided the best course of action was to shoot the gorilla dead.

I'm not even sure who I'm most angry at. This should not have happened in the first place.

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Roussette · 31/05/2016 08:57

I hope beyond all hope that the family don't sue. And pigs might fly.

Shadowracer · 31/05/2016 09:07

Me included rufus my sentence structure was not the best as I failed to proof read! I should probably shoot myself really certainly sterilise myself Grin too many bloody humans anyway!

angelos02 · 31/05/2016 09:18

How the fuck could the family sue? If anything, the zoo should be sueing the family.

Still don't see why the life of one mammal trumps that of another? Oh yes...money.

FuzzyWizard · 31/05/2016 09:22

Money is the only reason you can think of for prioritising the life of a human child over a gorilla?

LoucheLady · 31/05/2016 09:30

Well clearly at today's news exchange rate one gorilla is worth more than seven hundred migrants.

NeedACleverNN · 31/05/2016 09:34

Well I won't be signing the petition

The zoo should have been child proof.

If I leave a knife on my kitchen side that my child doesn't touch for 10 years it's "safe".

Things are only "safe" until they are not. Unless they are child proof

angelos02 · 31/05/2016 09:36

fuzzy what other reason is there?

Hulababy · 31/05/2016 09:56

Angelos - so you'd have just left the child and gorilla to it and let nature decide?

If it was your child would you feel the same?
And don't say it wouldn't be your child because you'd be watching it more carefully. That's a cop out because no parent is perfect and children are incredibly unpredictable and very very quick when they want to be!

FuzzyWizard · 31/05/2016 10:04
Hmm
tiggytape · 31/05/2016 10:07

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Samcro · 31/05/2016 10:10

just think one of these and it would never have happened

An endangered gorilla has been shot dead after a 4-yo fell into its zoo enclosure
RufusTheReindeer · 31/05/2016 10:15

just think one of these and it would never have happened

An endangered gorilla has been shot dead after a 4-yo fell into its zoo enclosure
Newes · 31/05/2016 10:18

If you are the custodians of massive and potentially dangerous animals you have to cater for every eventuality, including small children being determined to access areas they shouldn't.
Zoo safety doesn't rely on the visiting public being sensible or attentive.

RufusTheReindeer · 31/05/2016 10:19

shadow

You will be first against the wall come the revolution Grin

LogicalThinking · 31/05/2016 10:26

Samcro I had one of those wrist reins. I remember looking down after putting some things in my bag, to see the other end dangling and my kid running off. Seems they are quite easy for many small children to undo.

LogicalThinking · 31/05/2016 10:32

I had to post this message from a zookeeper who worked with gorillas and has answered many of the questions that have been raised in this thread.
www.facebook.com/amanda.odonoughue/posts/1203379586363094

"I am going to try to clear up a few things that have been weighing on me about Harambe and the Cinci Zoo since I read the news this afternoon.
I have worked with Gorillas as a zookeeper while in my twenties (before children) and they are my favorite animal (out of dozens) that I have ever worked closely with. I am gonna go ahead and list a few facts, thoughts and opinions for those of you that aren't familiar with the species itself, or how a zoo operates in emergency situations.
Now Gorillas are considered 'gentle giants' at least when compared with their more aggressive cousins the chimpanzee, but a 400+ pound male in his prime is as strong as roughly 10 adult humans. What can you bench press? OK, now multiply that number by ten. An adult male silverback gorilla has one job, to protect his group. He does this by bluffing or intimidating anything that he feels threatened by.
Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc.
While working in an AZA accredited zoo with Apes, keepers DO NOT work in contact with them. Meaning they do NOT go in with these animals. There is always a welded mesh barrier between the animal and the humans.
In more recent decades, zoos have begun to redesign enclosures, removing all obvious caging and attempting to create a seamless view of the animals for the visitor to enjoy watching animals in a more natural looking habitat. this is great until little children begin falling into exhibits which of course can happen to anyone, especially in a crowded zoo-like setting.
I have watched this video over again, and with the silverback's postering, and tight lips, it's pretty much the stuff of any keeper's nightmares, and I have had MANY while working with them. This job is not for the complacent. Gorillas are kind, curious, and sometimes silly, but they are also very large, very strong animals. I always brought my OCD to work with me. checking and rechecking locks to make sure my animals and I remained separated before entering to clean.
I keep hearing that the Gorilla was trying to protect the boy. I do not find this to be true. Harambe reaches for the boys hands and arms, but only to position the child better for his own displaying purposes.
Males do very elaborate displays when highly agitated, slamming and dragging things about. Typically they would drag large branches, barrels and heavy weighted balls around to make as much noise as possible. Not in an effort to hurt anyone or anything (usually) but just to intimidate. It was clear to me that he was reacting to the screams coming from the gathering crowd.
Harambe was most likely not going to separate himself from that child without seriously hurting him first (again due to mere size and strength, not malicious intent) Why didn't they use treats? well, they attempted to call them off exhibit (which animals hate), the females in the group came in, but Harambe did not. What better treat for a captive animal than a real live kid!
They didn't use Tranquilizers for a few reasons, A. Harambe would've taken too long to become immobilized, and could have really injured the child in the process as the drugs used may not work quickly enough depending on the stress of the situation and the dose B. Harambe would've have drowned in the moat if immobilized in the water, and possibly fallen on the boy trapping him and drowning him as well.
Many zoos have the protocol to call on their expertly trained dart team in the event of an animal escape or in the event that a human is trapped with a dangerous animal. They will evaluate the scene as quickly and as safely as possible, and will make the most informed decision as how they will handle the animal.
I can't point fingers at anyone in this situation, but we need to really evaluate the safety of the animal enclosures from the visitor side. Not impeding that view is a tough one, but there should be no way that someone can find themselves inside of an animal's exhibit.
I know one thing for sure, those keepers lost a beautiful, and I mean gorgeous silverback and friend. I feel their loss with them this week. As educators and conservators of endangered species, all we can do is shine a light on the beauty and majesty of these animals in hopes to spark a love and a need to keep them from vanishing from our planet. Child killers, they are not. It's unfortunate for the conservation of the species, and the loss of revenue a beautiful zoo such as Cinci will lose. tragedy all around."

NeedACleverNN · 31/05/2016 10:53

Brilliant response from the zoo keeper there

mamamea · 31/05/2016 10:55

"Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc."

Not a Class 1 mammal, a Class 1 animal (categorisation includes reptiles also). A category which actually includes not only apes but some small/medium-sized monkeys, which large numbers of members of the public interact with regularly (e.g., baboons) without any sort of steel mesh or whatever.

American zoos have strict regulations, no doubt, in part to avoid headline-making incidents like this. But let's face reality - the boy here is the son of a drug-dealing, kidnapping, gun-toting, trespassing, disorderly thug with a conviction list as long as the gorilla's arms. And he's hardly alone - if a gorilla is a Class 1 animal, then what on earth would you class humans generally, and the boy's father in particular as? People go trekking after gorillas in Africa all the time. They are far more likely to be attacked by humans than gorillas!

Are we perhaps unable to recall the cause of death of Dian Fossey, who spent two decades with 'Class 1' gorillas, only to be murdered by a 'Class 1' human?

Open your eyes people.

mamamea · 31/05/2016 10:55

"Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc."

Not a Class 1 mammal, a Class 1 animal (categorisation includes reptiles also). A category which actually includes not only apes but some small/medium-sized monkeys, which large numbers of members of the public interact with regularly (e.g., baboons) without any sort of steel mesh or whatever.

American zoos have strict regulations, no doubt, in part to avoid headline-making incidents like this. But let's face reality - the boy here is the son of a drug-dealing, kidnapping, gun-toting, trespassing, disorderly thug with a conviction list as long as the gorilla's arms. And he's hardly alone - if a gorilla is a Class 1 animal, then what on earth would you class humans generally, and the boy's father in particular as? People go trekking after gorillas in Africa all the time. They are far more likely to be attacked by humans than gorillas!

Are we perhaps unable to recall the cause of death of Dian Fossey, who spent two decades with 'Class 1' gorillas, only to be murdered by a 'Class 1' human?

Open your eyes people.

NeedACleverNN · 31/05/2016 10:58

Dian Fosssy knew how to act around gorillas. She was calm, quiet and submissive. She posed no threat.

That boy was understandably distressed, noisy and was showing "dominant" behaviour. He looked Harambe in the face. Big no no.

Huge difference

Buttercupsandaisies · 31/05/2016 11:03

Just watched the full 30 minute statement from the zoo confirming they had no choice but to shoot. They say the child life was defo in danger and dismiss the thought that it wasn't acting dangerously!

They said what videos didn't show was the animal throwing the child around and banging his head against the rocks. He said he's seen that same gorilla crack a coconut in one hand.

He went onto say the child was very lucky to survive.

He explains they couldn't tranquilise as it takes a while and he would have lashed out during disorientation.

He went into confirm he would do the same thing today

Samcro · 31/05/2016 11:04

LogicalThinking that was just a picture of one i found. we used a different type with no probems

Thefitfatty · 31/05/2016 11:08

the boy here is the son of a drug-dealing, kidnapping, gun-toting, trespassing, disorderly thug with a conviction list as long as the gorilla's arms.

What in the absolute fuck does that have to do with anything?

Dian Fossey, who spent two decades with 'Class 1' gorillas,

Dian Fossey was trained by Jane Goodall and spent years working with her with chimpanzees before she was allowed to go an work with gorillas. I had the wonderful opportunity to meet with Jane Goodall and talk to her about her experiences and she showed me her half missing finger and a few other scars that were caused by her being around an agitated chimp at the wrong time. Jane Goodall and Fossey also speak of the way chimps and gorillas wage war against other tribes and murder their young as displays of dominance. They are not as gentle as you would like to believe.

YoureSoSlyButSoAmI · 31/05/2016 11:24

It's because gorillas and chimps etc vaguely resemble us that some people have problems understanding that they ARENT us.

The gorillas know that too. You wouldn't see one dragging a baby gorilla through the water like that.

Imagine if the child had got in with the crocodiles. Doubt there'd be quite so many tears shed if they'd shot one of them.

Andrewofgg · 31/05/2016 11:27

mamamea Please tell us, yes or no, whether in your view this

the boy here is the son of a drug-dealing, kidnapping, gun-toting, trespassing, disorderly thug with a conviction list as long as the gorilla's arms

even if true and even if known to the authorities of the zoo (which it wasn't) would be good reason to leave the child to his fate and spare the animal?

Really?