To not stop saying that menstruation is a women's issue?

[HermioneWeasley]

Despite the fact that Twitter loons insist that it is triggering for trans women and erasing trans men?

On behalf of the millions and millions of women and girls suffering due to periods, and lack of access to sanpro and toilets (a FAR bigger human rights issue than where people with gender dysphoria pee) , I will keep saying this is a women's issue.

I wonder if posters and leaflets with advice relating to checking for testicular cancer should be disallowed in case they're 'triggering' for trans men who ain't got no balls.

Do get over yourself, nomchange.

X post with C Chick.

I hate how The Guardian and Buzzfeed are acting over trans issues too. It's embarrassing.

Why is MN so obsessed with trans women and so uninterested in trans men?

I've never heard a trans woman comment on periods. I know a couple of trans guys who get mildly frustrated by it but for some reason this thread is obsessing, again, about them evil sneaky trans women infiltrating and taking over special wimmin stuff with their evil Y chromosome bearing ways.

Am I alone in thinking this is is a total non-issue? Who gives a shit?!

Yanbu menstruation IS a women's issue.

The OP obviously "gives a shit" Hyper.

OP, what was said?

Lying here in absolute agony to the point that I'm unable to sleep. Not usually this bad but have had an extremely stressful month.
You are definitely NBU

We don't tend to comment too much on trans men for several reasons. Mostly because the redefining of women is being done by trans women and non binary male people.
trans men have female socialisation and as such don't tend to write articles and lobby governments for changes to legislation and language that harms men (or women). However there has been a lot of discussion around changes to maternity literature for example (not the uk yet) referring to pregnant people and chest feeding so as to be inclusive of trans men who are pregnant and breastfeeding not a fucking man then
Women (sorry females) are the ones who suffer more from sex-class based oppression so obviously there is more concern among women about the effects of trans dogma and activism on women, and that tends to be the result of actions by male trans people, not female ones.

Hypermum- you're probably not alone, but many people don't agree with you

Most transmen seem to just want to get on with it. Whenever I see some bullshit, it's almost 100% instigated by a transwoman, and here in the States, usually a white transwoman. They can deny it all they want but for my money it's because someone born, raised, and socialized as a white man just cannot fathom not being deferred to.

I saw a transwoman the other day who said "I wasn't BORN IN THE WRONG BODY. I was assigned the wrong gender at birth."

For fucking fuck's sake. No one is assigned a gender at birth! A doctor or midwife announces your sex. The doctor didn't get it wrong. God! I'm over it. We're so fucking entitled in the West. We've had it so good for so long we've got to make up bullshit to be offended about and "triggered" by.

Yep, I'm so fucking sick of this bullshit too. I am FB friends with a lot of Americans, and just about every day another one posts something about how stupid/ignorant/bigoted/moronic people are who might be the least perturbed by self-identifying transwomen using the women's bathrooms. It really seems like the only people allowed to use "triggered" as an argument are transgender people. If female rape survivors use it to question the fight back against the new bathroom laws in the States, then obviously they are just bigoted. The weird thing is, the vast majority of posts about this on my feed are from leftie men (straight and gay) who have no fucking idea what this is all really about, yet are so quick to jump to the conclusion that women are obviously "stupid/bigoted" as a first explanation.

I think Hermione & I might have read the same article: www.theestablishment.co/2016/05/25/on-trans-menstruation-a-roundtable/

Periods - "no uterus no opinion"

It's nothing to do with gender and everything to do with biological sex. Why should I hide something natural away because because it offends someone. There is no good reason to be offended by nature. It's as random as saying I am offended because I can't grow a beard.

It's biology ffs we can't just change it. If we could I'm pretty sure the line for getting rid of periods would be very fucking long.

www.theestablishment.co/2016/05/25/on-trans-menstruation-a-roundtable/

Laws are being changed that affect my life and my daughters life, that is why I am concerned.

Chihuahua, you're brother has the right idea, just cracking on with his life.

Yes, The Establishment article, and various comments on the menstruation day hashtags.

This stuff needs calling all the time, even if you get called names, which you do.

Oh Gawwwwwdddd that article!

"Allow conversations to happen about periods being weird or gross.' Yeah, that's not setting us back.

Cheerful - They can deny it all they want but for my money it's because someone born, raised, and socialized as a white man just cannot fathom not being deferred to.

I second this. And third it. It's blindingly simple. They want everything their way because that's what they're used to.

Can you imagine if they were blacking up and demanding to be treated as a black person. Any crimes they commit to be recorded as black violence. Taking up space in the workforce set aside for black workers.

I don't imagine that sort of appropriation would be tolerated.

So why is it okay to appropriate my identity?

I am sure this girl would love to identify her way out of her periods.

Birthing individuals?? Oh ffs

I have been told several times that by not agreeing with a person's analysis of gender that I am 'literally' denying their existence and yet they seem oblivious to the fact that by denying female biology I could say the exact same thing back to them. Only I wouldn't because it is unhelpful and silly.

Making people use phrases like menstruator, pregnant people, uterus bearer and chest feeder denies the connections between these phenomenon. People who menstruate do so because they have a uterus. Menstruation starts as that uterus becomes ready for human reproduction and will likely continue until it is no longer capable of same unless, as someone said upthread, something is WRONG and this will be treated as a medical issue or they get pregnant, which again can only happen if they have a uterus. That pregnancy will trigger* the chest feeding aspect of this tidy equation.

Hey wow, what about having a word to describe people with this far-from-unique combination of attributes? Oh wait we had that - woman or female - but now think it would be best to remove that meaning because feelings. Not buying it. It is getting to the point that perhaps the only language of cause and effect that might be allowed is medical. Welcome to the world of Female Biology Syndrome.

*apologies for non-triggering use of the word trigger.

And "chestfeeding"?

I know biological men don't lactate, but I did think that they had breast tissue. At least according to the breast cancer awareness talk I went to that mentioned that biological men can get breast cancer (this is very very rare compared to breast cancer in biological women).

So surely if biological men have breast tissue and can get breast cancer, calling breastfeeding breastfeeding would be appropriate even if the breastfeeder is a transman?

I think of all the phenomena around this, trans men (who know the shit women go through) using their bodies for literally the most female things you can do (pregnancy, birth and breastfeeding) then trying to erase the word "woman" from the experience because it "excludes" them, might just be the thing that makes me stabbiest.