To not stop saying that menstruation is a women's issue?

[HermioneWeasley]

Despite the fact that Twitter loons insist that it is triggering for trans women and erasing trans men?

On behalf of the millions and millions of women and girls suffering due to periods, and lack of access to sanpro and toilets (a FAR bigger human rights issue than where people with gender dysphoria pee) , I will keep saying this is a women's issue.

"They can deny it all they want but for my money it's because someone born, raised, and socialized as a white man just cannot fathom not being deferred to."

Exactly.

Why are you giving undue weight to 'Twitter loons', OP? The internet offers a platform for unusual and extreme opinions on any/every subject. Doesn't make them representative.

My response to every single point they are bleating on about in that stupid, po-faced language-policing article is "No. Fuck off".

And no, being a woman who hasn't had children yet does not put me in a bracket with men, thanks. Idiots.

fascicle

Anyone who thinks Twitter isn't influential and ignores the way it's being used to promote the erosion of women's issues from daily life does so at their peril.

It's about the only thing trans men ever pipe up about, Hermione. Because surprise surprise, they can get their own way when it involves throwing other women under the bus. Men, not so much.

Why are you giving undue weight to 'Twitter loons', OP? The internet offers a platform for unusual and extreme opinions on any/every subject. Doesn't make them representative.

The problem is that policy makers are listening to these 'Twitter loons'.

When you get things like the Green Party recategorising women as "non-men" - when you get official recommendations on transgender policies to parliament endorsing this kind of viewpoint - when you get the minister for equality supporting the trans-line and dismissing women who raise concerns as transphobic.....

....then it's getting to the point where ignoring these unrepresentative 'Twitter loons' and not challenging their biased viewpoints, leads to a real danger that all this will be enshrined in law and it'll be legally discriminatory to talk about women having periods rather than menstruators.

fascicle what MrsJoey said

These loons are weirdly influential. We have the Green Party calling us "non males" the Women's equality party unable to define the word "woman" and the minister for Equality calling women "extraordinary bigots" for having some reservations about the end of sex segregated spaces.

Fortunately more and more women seem to be waking up to it and saying "fuck that"

YANBU, of course, Hermione.

And yes, if this was just a bunch of Twitter loons mouthing off into a void, nobody would be getting upset about it.

It's the fact that they have the ear of policy makers and government institutions everywhere - the NHS, the BBC and government reports all trot out the "sex is assigned at birth" transactivist party line, as if it were a fact rather than extremist propaganda.

And yes, those of us who fear for women's rights and safety as a result of all this - women being the underclass in society still, not the privilege bearers! - are denounced in most liberal circles these days as vile bigots, who shouldn't even be allowed to air our offensive views.

"They can deny it all they want but for my money it's because someone born, raised, and socialized as a white man just cannot fathom not being deferred to." - just this!

As others have said, if those was only being paraded about by dingbats on Twitter it wouldn't be a problem. Fact of the matter is these people are dictating public policy. We already have a transwoman - with 'female penis' in a woman's prison despite being convicted of attempted rape of a woman. One transwoman prison in Scotland has
been transferred multiple times to different women's facilities for sexually predatory behaviour against other women. Can't be housed in a male prison - despite having a penis - as it would interfere with his human rights. The rights of female prisoners, the majority of whom are in for non-violent crimes, to be protected from a sexually predatory man is deemed irrelevant. There have been multiple documented cases inUS and Canada of transwomen targeting vulnerable women in homeless shelters and refuges. I've heard suggestions of it happening in UK as well but have yet to see media coverage.

We can't even get legislation in place for mandatory sex and healthy relationships in schools covering reproduction and consent, but transwomen with a penis get housed in women's facilities

WTAF?

Science has found that when tested, the genes and chromosomes tend to match the transperson's identity, not their genitals
(Comment on the Sheknows site)
Can anyone provide anything supporting this? I have never seen it...

That's because it is total bollocks, Strange.

Canada are about to ban anti-trans propaganda and hate speech.

In principle, that should be a given. In practice, it sounds like a way to criminalise any critical thinking around "gender identity".

“It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words.”
― George Orwell, 1984

Indeed, Lumpy.

I read the article. Most of the comments were from born women who no longer identify as women (either trans male or non binary) whose dysphoria is triggered by their periods or who would like to see a change in the marketing and availability of san pro and hormonal contraception.

There is very little from born males.

That's because it is total bollocks, Strange.

Which was pretty much what I thought. The sheer illogicality of it makes my stomach feel strange.

Yes, as I and others have said, it's one of the few things trans men campaign about. Because any concessions on it made don't inconvenience biological men in the slightest, only women.

Yes, I've noticed that too venus - whether it's transwomen or transmen, the impact of the "solutions" they want to the issues they face is only on women, never on men. Men's safety and well being isn't being threatened or compromised in any way.

Why do men rape women? Because they can.

Why do transactivists attack women's rights? Because they can.

Same old misogyny. Same old assault on woman based on the same old imbalance of power, which was physical in origin, and is both physical and societal in continuation. Which is precisely why biology matters.

What I find the most disturbing about the whole thing is that you can just identify yourself into an oppressed group (male identifying as female) and then you also get to claim that you are more oppressed than that group because you would never have been part of it unless you identified into it.

That would be like me (born with a vagina, XX, uterus, etc) claiming that I identify as a transwoman. Only, because I was already born female, I was denied the 'privilege' of transitioning.
Transpeople would have transition-privilege, and in fact, shouldn't talk about transitioning at all because it would trigger me, who didn't have to transition!

I feel like the world is going topsy-turvy.

Love it keepit

As a trans-trans woman I find all this discussion very triggering, and LITERAL violence

I can't believe you're all so trans trans trans exclusionary! Am hiding this thread.

I'm going to hide this thread - just because I have just come back to MN and promised myself not to get involved in trans threads again
Ego That's a good idea. I noticed you were back and it's nice to see you again.

MrsJoeyMaynard
When you get things like the Green Party recategorising women as "non-men" - when you get official recommendations on transgender policies to parliament endorsing this kind of viewpoint - when you get the minister for equality supporting the trans-line and dismissing women who raise concerns as transphobic.....

The story about the Green Party appears to have been taken out of context. From the Young Greens Women twitter account:

'...we by no means intend to erase women by defining them in relation to men, and we do not believe that the terms "non-man" and "woman are synonymous'

Where did Nicky Morgan dismiss women who raise concerns as transphobic?

In what context is the term "non-man" either useful or necessary; seeing that we're not actually allowed to refer to trans women as anything other than "women"- I'm assuming it was coined to cover everyone who isn't actually male? (Women, in anybody's language)
I'm genuinely confused??

I'm sure you realise it was Maria Miller being referred to, Fascicle. But knock yourself out.