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To not stop saying that menstruation is a women's issue?

278 replies

HermioneWeasley · 28/05/2016 20:16

Despite the fact that Twitter loons insist that it is triggering for trans women and erasing trans men?

On behalf of the millions and millions of women and girls suffering due to periods, and lack of access to sanpro and toilets (a FAR bigger human rights issue than where people with gender dysphoria pee) , I will keep saying this is a women's issue.

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Floggingmolly · 28/05/2016 21:47

Men have periods... Hmm. I think I've just entered the Twilight Zone.

TheWanderingUterus · 28/05/2016 21:50

I am studying in a menstrually related field. I have had this link messaged to me three times on Twitter since January. The blood in my body will run cold before I use the word 'queeriod'.

periodpositive.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/queeriods-lgbt-stem-poster-feb-2016.pdf

VagueIdeas · 28/05/2016 21:53

I'm worried about how fast "woman" seems to be considered an idea and not a biological reality.

This.

One thousand times this.

venusinscorpio · 28/05/2016 21:58

I will happily continue to call menstruation, pregnancy, menopause etc women's issues. These woman-erasing lackwits can FRO.

Floggingmolly · 28/05/2016 21:59

I've clicked on too many dodgy links tonight... What in the name of all that's holy is a queeroid??

TheWanderingUterus · 28/05/2016 22:06

Sorry, have screenshot - hopefully that works.

To not stop saying that menstruation is a women's issue?
To not stop saying that menstruation is a women's issue?
FledglingFridge · 28/05/2016 22:11

Menstruation is an issue that affects women.

Glad someone explained that to OP. Hmm

BigGreenOlives · 28/05/2016 22:12

I hoped before I opened it that this thread was going to be about how much more open society needs to be about menstruation and that women should stop pretending they don't have periods. Instead it seems we should be pretending they don't exist as some people would presumably like to have them & don't.

Floggingmolly · 28/05/2016 22:12

They want to replace the word "women" with " people "?? While men remain men, presumably, and women are obliterated... Dear sweet Jesus Shock

Floggingmolly · 28/05/2016 22:14

No, we should be admitting that men have periods too, BigGreen. Just like the sky is purple and the grass is orange.
Only then are we allowed to talk about them.

Felascloak · 28/05/2016 22:19

Have you seen this? www.sheknows.com/parenting/articles/1122629/transgender-dad-gives-birth
I read it and had the odd sensation of having breastfeeding ahem chestfeeding mansplained to me Hmm

Felascloak · 28/05/2016 22:20

Oops strikethrough fail Blush

Cocolepew · 28/05/2016 22:20

YANBU. Its getting ridiculous.

Quietattheback · 28/05/2016 22:21

Are there also queerjeculation flow charts for people who ejeculate semen?

Felascloak · 28/05/2016 22:27

Menstruators and ejaculators. Surely we just end up with the same situation as women and men in the end?

LadyStarkOfWinterfell · 28/05/2016 22:36

Calling menstruation a women's issue is

  • triggering to trans men because they aren't women, so you're misgendering them, which is literal violence
  • triggering to trans women because it reminds them that they are women who don't menstruate so they will feel extra dysphoric
  • cis sexist because it excludes the above men who menstruate and women who don't and assumes that being a woman is somehow linked to being biologically female

Obviously, the entirety of the above is utter bollocks but it's not parody, this is actual stuff that has been said and written all over the Internet in fairly mainstream sites. I have people in my life who totally believe this.

LadyStarkOfWinterfell · 28/05/2016 22:38

Surely we just end up with the same situation as women and men in the end?

Of course! Because policing language does nothing to change material reality or to address structural inequality that impacts more severely on females than males. But sure, by all means, police the use of 'man' and 'woman' and redefine the words to mean completely different things. As long as you don't feel dysphoric Hmm

WilLiAmHerschel · 28/05/2016 22:40

Yanbu.

Only women bleed.

MrsJoeyMaynard · 28/05/2016 22:46

YANBU.

And that queeriod thingy.... I'm too young to have any direct experience of this, but do post-menopausal women really feel excluded if someone calls attention to the uniquely female experience of monthly bleeding? Most of them will have spent a good chunk of their lives experiencing periods, after all. I know that as a young girl I didn't perceive such talk as excluding me before I started menstruating.

I do find it disturbing that discussions on matters that do, or can, affect the vast majority of women (due to our female biology in this case) are being shut down because they don't affect transwomen and therefore make some transwomen feel excluded.

OnceThereWasThisGirlWho · 28/05/2016 22:53

Exactly, MrsJoey.

Even if you accepted tranwomen were women, and transmen were men (which I don't, because I see "woman" and "man" as biological categories), then menstruation would still be overwhelmingly a women's issue.

Myusernameismyusername · 28/05/2016 23:01

I certainly have an issue with the whole concept of this triggering people.
Triggering happens to most people during their lifetime. Sometimes things are best avoided if it is painful and obviously you wouldn't go out of your way to trigger someone on purpose (well most people would not).

But to place the blame for this topic triggering onto bio women for something that is biological and completely inescapable for the vast majority, how this this fair? It is exactly why we can't all merge into some new class of gender, because the bio women do not want this on these terms. Why doesn't it matter what we think or how we feel about it?

I fail to see how a trans woman who does not have periods is in any way disadvantaged by a bio woman who does. We can't control how tall or short we are, we can't change many many things about our genetics. And that's just the way it is. It's almost like trying to erase something from nature. I am not on board with the rebranding of women and there will be nothing but a widening gap between trans and cis if this continues.

OnceThereWasThisGirlWho · 28/05/2016 23:06

Bloody hell. You complain about your period, but trans women would give anything for your pain

I sincerely wish I could give my endometriosis related monthly pain to them if they want it. Ditto the three years of it getting fobbed off as "normal pain" by various GPs and even a gynaecologist (average is 9 years apparently. I love the smear test nurse who eventually referred me! and the sexy consultant ) Plus the severe effect on retaining employment, but inability to be covered by disability discrimination because it means I can't do my job for a day or two, whilst also not covered by disability benefits because it's monthly not continous pain. Sigh.

And you'd think the writer would know as well as anyone than they can't speak for all transwomen.

AgingJuvenileBinkyHuckaback · 28/05/2016 23:07

Enormous numbers of women don't menstruate (or give birth, or have"curves") for a wide range of reasons. This has always been the case.

RufusTheReindeer · 28/05/2016 23:09

The first person to refer to me as a menstruator will get a punch on the nose

To be fair so will the second person...

PurpleRainDiamondsandPearls · 28/05/2016 23:11

I'm so sick of certain people bleating on about triggers. It seems to have been adopted by transactivists. It's linked with PTSD, a diagnosed mental illness. I know that non unwell people can be triggered and traumatised but the way the transactivists use this word, just feels they are making it about them and their issues.

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