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To not stop saying that menstruation is a women's issue?

278 replies

HermioneWeasley · 28/05/2016 20:16

Despite the fact that Twitter loons insist that it is triggering for trans women and erasing trans men?

On behalf of the millions and millions of women and girls suffering due to periods, and lack of access to sanpro and toilets (a FAR bigger human rights issue than where people with gender dysphoria pee) , I will keep saying this is a women's issue.

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Egosumquisum · 28/05/2016 20:38

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HermioneWeasley · 28/05/2016 20:39

I don't understand why talking about periods, abortion, FGM etc is not allowed because it's "triggering" but having a beard or a penis is no problem because it's a woman's beard and a female penis?

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QueenArseClangers · 28/05/2016 20:40

So glad that the trans women I know aren't dicks like this (no pun intended) 😄

gingergenie · 28/05/2016 20:44

Oh Ffs I'm sick of this. A bio-woman is a woman born with female reproductive organs and therefore menstruates and has the capacity to bear children. A trans woman has male reproductive organs but at some point in her life felt that s/he identified more with the female GENDER than the male gender. A trans woman has the right to be referred to as a female by virtue of her decision, and right to identify with a particular gender (which by all accounts is a social construct anyway, which seems to throw the whole boy/girl gender classification into turmoil anyway) but is she a bio-woman? No. Therefore she needs to be referred to as a Trains woman. I'd like to be Mediterranean rather than ginger. Can I call myself Greek, because that's how I want to be identified? Yes. Does it mean I am genetically Greek? No?
I'll admit I find this all very 'Emperor's new clothes'. I gave ever respect for the journey that transwomen go through, and it must be a huge mountain to climb in terms of acceptance, but I cannot and will not accept them as bio-women, because they are not. The same as I don't have a penis and therefore cannot consider myself a bio-man, even if I identify as predominantly male. Sorry, rant over. I understand the need for inclusion but unless we are all androgynous hermaphrodites I think we all have to, in the name of diversity, accept that one size does not fit all.

BigChocFrenzy · 28/05/2016 20:45

YANBU and it's a very important issue for women & girls, deeply personal.
However imo, reasonable transwomen wouldn't object, even if they felt quietly sad at the reminder of biology.
Goady fuckers are not fair representatives of anyone. I suspect ego is more typical than she may think.

glenthebattleostrich · 28/05/2016 20:49

See that's the problem. Most trans people aren't dicks. And if the sjw types would pipe down and stop with the threats and insults we would be able to work together to find a way forward together where our individuality is celebrated.

Instead we have a fucked up situation where we can't discuss women's issues without being a bigot, we are expected to agree that a penis can be female,gender stereotyping is taken to the extreme and a tiny minority get to wave their ladydicks around.

I'm so tired of 'triggering' and 'offensive hate speech' being confused with different opinions by arse holes.

Joystir · 28/05/2016 20:52

trans women are not women. Only an adult human female is a woman.

Just5minswithDacre · 28/05/2016 20:58

Have any of them told you yet that your words about menstruation are literal violence? Grin

gingergenie · 28/05/2016 21:03

The transwomen I know aren't like this either, but it's a very current topic and if you so much as say boo to a lot of the craziness, you're automatically branded transphobic. I just wish we could all have the discussion rationally without all the hysteria. Let's face it, bio-women have been oppressed for eons. If the current and very vocal extremist movement that expects total and unquestioned inclusion of trans-women into bio-women enclaves could only understand that we could be their greatest allies, and that instead of trying to bully and alienate everyone who raises a query, we'd be happy to support their journey, I think the world would be a calmer place.

ladyballs · 28/05/2016 21:04

YANBU at all.

Cagliostro · 28/05/2016 21:06

love that quote photo hermione

Alconleigh · 28/05/2016 21:08

YANBU. From the general tone of the current transactivist agenda, most of them seem to actively hate women. Actual women I mean, not 6 foot blokes with a functioning cock and a pair of porny fake breasts. Which is.....interesting.

karalime · 28/05/2016 21:08

Menstruation is a women's issue, because it is a gendered issue. If it happened to men too it would not be an issue.

Millions of girls are forced to miss school when they are on their period due to lack of access to sanpro. These young girls face this crap because they are girls with vaginas. Discrimination is not gender neutral.

FedUpWithBriiiiiick · 28/05/2016 21:09

YASOOOOONBU

Tiredbutfuckingfine · 28/05/2016 21:15

Yes I had the access to towels issue mansplained to me this week. He told me that female hygiene needs to be discussed, which I thought was somewhat different to the issue of girls not having access to sanitary pads.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 28/05/2016 21:17

The really worrying thing is that laws are being made and women's identity, sorry non men's identity, is being chipped away at.

Most people are unaware of these changes and all the reasonable people I know object to them.

gingergenie · 28/05/2016 21:19

It's biology not gender, remember? Because gender is a social construct and there is no such thing as male or female brain. Sorry, promise I'm not being goady, I just find the gender/biological sex thing all a bit bizarre- in Brighton apparently at aged 3/4 they send out questionnaires to preschool parents asking what gender their child most identifies with.

On any given day, my children would have answered:
Day1 : girl
Day2: boy
Day3: tree fu Tom

Gender fluidity is normal in preschoolers so surely what they're doing is just as restrictive as asking parents to tick a m/f box? My head spins with it all.

jay55 · 28/05/2016 21:19

It's just another way of men telling women what to do. A new way to keep women quiet.

DoinItFine · 28/05/2016 21:23

I don't really believe a lot of these transactivists are trans people.

I think a lot of them are just men who hate women (trans or otherwise) and are exploiting an opportunity to give vent to their misogyny in a socially acceptable way.

gingergenie · 28/05/2016 21:25

Yes lumpyspaceprincess (love adventure time) in Brighton the free party asks you to identify as either male or non-male. I mean seriously? Wtaf? Emily Pankhurst will be a very angry zombie! The gender of 'female' has been completely erased in thus particular context. Which means that on a panel of 6 participants whose opinions are sought on all manner of things, you could end up with not a single vagina amongst them. That is not embracing diversity.

gingergenie · 28/05/2016 21:25

Green Party, not free party, sorry x

Myusernameismyusername · 28/05/2016 21:26

From someone who has hormonal problems I honestly don't care if my excessive bleeding upsets anyone but me

Floggingmolly · 28/05/2016 21:32

A lady penis?? They get around the fact that they have a fully functioning penis (which interestingly they have no intention of relinquishing) by claiming it's female? Wtf? And this doesn't set them apart from women who were born female...
How can anybody take this sheer bloody nonsense seriously?

WomanActually · 28/05/2016 21:45

YANBU.

I'm worried about how fast "woman" seems to be considered an idea and not a biological reality.

I've seen many discussion about periods and the problems they can cause for some women and girls derailed to an argument because someone has pointed out that it's either transphobic because transwomen can't menstrate and discussing is triggering, or that men menstrate and they should be helped too. The girls who can't go to school end up not being discussed and no progress is made because it ends up a debate about what a woman is.

Just the other day I saw a thread derailed before it had chance to start, because a poster said something like "if men had periods then ....,,,," and then they were called transphobic because men do have periods, so they went on the defensive and whatever it was the OP was trying to discuss was forgotten. I've seen women trying to talk about the difficulties their period brings them told to "check your privilege"

I'm sorry but "woman" isn't an idea, it's a physical reality, sometimes I wish I could identify my way out of being a woman though, because some nasty things in my life may not have happened to me if I was seen as male. Id like to discuss some of the things that have happened to me, with other women but it's getting harder and harder to find somewhere to do that because it makes me transphobic.

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