Babies in travel systems

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Am I bu that I just get the rage when I see babies in carseats clunked to the pram?

Am I being a judgypants?

Fair enough on the nip in & out jobs like school run.

But supermarket? Theme park? National trust gardens? Running? Town? Zoo? Places were the child is likely going to have been in that carseat for a few hours!

They've already been in it for the car journey. I bet likely, some will only be out of them all day for feeding time.

I watched holiday supersavers last night and the baby did the walk to supermarket, around supermarket and walk nack home again in the flippin carseat!

I just want to go up to them and tell them to stop being lazy and think of their child's spine development.

I donmt think about it all of the time lynda just when I walk about the zoo and see the same baby in the same carseat about 10 times in a 4 hour period. It's abvious that that child has rarely been out of that carseat all day, except for feeds

'There is evidence studied with 200 babies'

Says it all

The sounds posh only1scoop

Oh and a study on 200 babies is not big. It could easily be distorted by other factors in one or two children giving a misleading result. The quality of the study is therefore questionable and suggests more research is needed rather than drawing too many conclusions.

And stay away from zoo's so much Op

You have an unhealthy interests in them.

My hospital won't let you take your newborn without a car seat - I'm due in five weeks and this is on my antenatal notes. I've got no idea what happens if you walk/take public transport from the hospital.

I have a travel system (2nd hand from family so I know its history).

There is evidence in a study of 200 babies that the doctors interpreting have found "unsurprising" and stated that they'd never actually seen harm come to a child from that kind of desaturation.

So yes, you posted an AAAAH SCARY STUDYYYYY that means very little in terms of actual harm.

Excuseme bearing in mind it was 13 years ago that I actually bought the travel system, and also bearing in mind what I said previously about budget and practicality, I don't see how a carrycot would have been a better choice over a travel system.

My in-laws bought the Moses basket and my mum went halves on the travel system. As I said before, you seem to have no comprehension outside your own judgemental 'I'm better than you because...' bubble.

Well done you for being so great. Surely we're all just trying to do the best we can with the resources we have?

rarely out of the seat all day, except for feeds

But how do you know that? With my DS1, we regularly travelled 2.5 hours to see my family. We would stop, take him out so I could feed him and let him have a kick around.

Yet if you'd been passing us on the road you'd have thought I was driving him in the seat for 4 hours!

Fwiw, my twins never had car seats that were part of a travel system and we survived just fine.

Watch out MN

Op seat spitting soon at a zoo near you....

'Spotting'

But hey, she may well be 'spitting' too

Anyone's guess

Oh yes, my children own tablets and a ds and they eat chocolate and crisps. Hoik your judgey pants at that one.

Bet it's not even an organic tablet, either.

Shame.

DS loved the sling and I carried him for a week on holiday for hours at a time (at 7wks old). We bought a new buggy that had a newborn lie flat option which we used instead of clipping the infant car seat on the frame. He's now in an ERF as he's 10mo, 13.5kg and 75cm tall.

We struggled to find an ERF car seat that fitted in our medium-sized MPV though, you just can't spout 'ERF' and 'lie-flat' car seats at people, they don't fit in all cars especially if you need plenty of room in the front seat or have other car seats in the back. Luckily I'm only 5'2" so can have the front passenger seat all the way forward to fit DS's ERF behind me.

DD (our first born) hated the sling, she hated being held in close to me, she likes to look around. She went in the car seat clipped on the buggy. Due to lots of factors (cost, size of car boot, size of house entrance, where we were storing the buggy etc), we chose a buggy that took the car seat on the frame until 6mo when you could use the buggy seat. The seat didn't recline. DD was often in/out of the car seat, carried, crawled on the grass, sat in a high chair or on our laps. If you saw us at the zoo, you'd have no idea if she'd been in the car seat for 2 mins or an hour. I was mindful of the 2hr max time in the seat and we ensured she had plenty of time out of it too and plenty of stops on long drives. ERF seats were hundreds of pounds and much harder to come by in 2009.

I think most parents take this approach and want to do the best they can (in their circumstances) for their children.

If you wanted to educate people, you have gone totally the wrong way about it.

gwenneh

"There is evidence, studied with 200 babies showing that their oxygen levels are depleted when in the carseat."

There is also evidence as mentioned in the same study that oxygen levels naturally drop during sleeping anyway it is inconclusive whether the car seat makes this worse or not.

Actually I think you're being lazy for using a pram at all, why not just carry your child, you have arms, don't you? Even a sling is kind of lazy, isn't it? It's carrying your child for you...

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Great post, PurpleCrazyHorse

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I struggle to believe that people can't cope with the baby years without on of these travel systems.

people can get by without them....but why should they?

If you're worried about oxygen saturations, which is a genuine issue, you only need to remove the child for a few seconds for their oxygen sats to return to normal. Once every two hours for a healthy full term baby. More often for premature babies or babies with respiratory issues.

If you're worried about "curved spines" there's very little evidence to support this and anyway modern car seats tend to have newborn inserts to reduce the curve for the smallest babies.

If you are worried about parents not interacting with and touching their baby, just plonking them from one container to another, you might well have a point, but this doesn't happen JUST in travel systems, and nor can you actually tell from a snapshot of somebody's day. For the one hour you see a family, they might have spent the other 23 hours holding and touching the baby.

True BertieBotts. I'm interacting loads with DS in the buggy, but have been mostly ignoring him at home while I put the shopping away and MN

But how do people cope without them buttechicks no one can seem to go out in the day with out putting baby in one for their sanity. What happens in the home and at night?

I have no idea about anyone else, but my 17 weeks old dd sleeps in a full size cot at night in our room (as per guidelines). She used to go in a moses basket downstairs during the day but since she has grown out of that she is either on a playmatt (if awake) or, if asleep, is one of these travel cots from Aldi with a proper mattress in it. She is never left in a room to sleep unattended.

She goes into the carseat for car journeys and gets taken out as soon as we get home. If we are out for a few hours we make sure to give her a break out of the seat. We normally don't even bring the pram wheels out with us (as I've said already, space is limited in the car) as it is pretty difficult to push a trolley and a pram at the same time.

I am very lucky in that my dd is a very calm and relaxed baby, she sleeps well and doesn't mind being put down. I am aware that other babies have different needs and that other families may need to do things differently. Like you OP I hope all parents are looking out for the safety and well being of their children, but I do not assume to know everything about a parent's abilities based on false assumptions.

Feel free to ask if you would like to know anything thing else about how other people handle the challenges of parenthood. Something I shall be teaching DD is that it is better to educate yourself before making judgements about something you don't understand.

I don't even know how we got on to talking about second hand car seats? We are talking about babies being in a car seat attached to the buggy on a day trip.

I never said I'd use a second hand car seat, nor that I would use it in a car. Ours was new.

Lily however said that people who use travel systems are probably the same "dumb" people who buy second hand car seats, and that those who use car seats (second hand or not) don't care about their child's back. And I said actually I used a travel system and I'm not dumb nor am I uncaring of my child's spine.