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Babies in travel systems

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Excusemeforpostinghere · 11/05/2016 08:03

Am I bu that I just get the rage when I see babies in carseats clunked to the pram?

Am I being a judgypants?

Fair enough on the nip in & out jobs like school run.

But supermarket? Theme park? National trust gardens? Running? Town? Zoo? Places were the child is likely going to have been in that carseat for a few hours!

They've already been in it for the car journey. I bet likely, some will only be out of them all day for feeding time.

I watched holiday supersavers last night and the baby did the walk to supermarket, around supermarket and walk nack home again in the flippin carseat!

I just want to go up to them and tell them to stop being lazy and think of their child's spine development.

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SlapACatFuckADuck · 11/05/2016 21:42

fuctifino yeah suffocating due to the positioning but the spine thing is another issue

SlapACatFuckADuck · 11/05/2016 21:43

Fututre It's the Bebecar Hip Hop Urban and my son had the Bebecar Stylo Class (black)

Babies in travel systems
Babies in travel systems
FutureGadgetsLab · 11/05/2016 21:45

Slap that is lovely, I've just googled it it looks amazing.

WombOfOnesOwn · 11/05/2016 21:46

The study that described 31 car seat deaths and created all this unnecessary panic looked at every car seat death reported in the United States over a three year period. Out of those deaths, 15 reported the status of the car seat straps, and 2/3 of those reports (10 deaths) involved improper strapping-in.

In that three year period, about 12 million babies were born in the United States -- so we're talking a 1 in 400,000 babies situation. Given the number of total hours children are driven around in the U.S. in car seats (where people drive everywhere), versus the number who died in slings (about 1/3 the number), I suspect that hour-for-hour, slings are substantially MORE dangerous for babies. Most parents in the U.S. do not use slings (I am American and am in a city where slings are used more often than most places, but they're still only something I see on 10-20% of parents out and about).

I don't understand the immense worry over something that has a 1 in 400,000 chance of happening. You realize your child (and, indeed, you as well) has a 1 in 280,000 chance of dying from a lightning strike, right?

SlapACatFuckADuck · 11/05/2016 21:47

Future They're lovely prams, really good quality. You can see the little grey cap on the end of the green one the car attachments link onto that and then to the seatbelts in the car it's pretty clever and good for long journeys

FutureGadgetsLab · 11/05/2016 21:54

Slap I wish I'd have got that for DS, he hated his car seat because he's always been big and it scrunched him up.

Ive got a cybex Sirona now which is much better for the car

quarkandmarmite · 11/05/2016 22:07

excusemeforpostinghere

I am probably in agreement with you.

I hate the infant car seats for the same reasons. But I do own one. I bought a graco evo travel system and apart from the car seat, love it!

The pram is really big and sits on the chassis at a slight upright angle; a little bit like the cots in hospitals. My daughter was still using the pram at 7 months for snoozes and an overnight stay at a hotel.

The pushchair can be used from birth as it is almost a complete lie-back. Again, nice and long and now aged 14 months, we still have at least another years use. (Shopping basket is huge!)

Came with the car seat. Up until using it, I never had an issue. In fact, the graco snugsafe was in the top 10 best infant car seats for car crash safety by Which! But I hated it as did my daughter. For a start, she was too upright and never comfortable. The straps were too wide over her tiny shoulders and the gaps between the different shoulder strap holes were too wide apart which even at 5lbs, the shortest setting was too small (?!?!?) and next ones up meant she was too small. She screamed when she went into it!

I got it because it was a lot easier to lift out the seat from the isofix base and put it straight onto the chassis. It was used for; school run, quick trip to the shop, groups, friends etc as she was out of it as soon as we got to groups and friends. If we were going shopping all day or to a festival etc, we took the pram/pushchair and the lillebaby baby carrier.

I think if I could do it again (which I am not) I would rather get an ERF car seat and 'put up' with the constant 'in and out' with the pram or lillebaby (latter being far easier!) or get a lie-down carrier than Britax and Jane do. This time round i have found that car seats are not all that accommodating and best for a newborn's growing anatomy.

I dare say that like the new i-size rules and the booster seat rule in December 2016, rules will change again to insist that newborns lay flatter than they normally do at the moment, in the near future.

But in answer to your original question; yes, you are being judgy BUT you, like everyone else, is entitled to an opinion, BUT I think you're in the minority for having a hatred for them. I don't hate them; they are NOT killers (more babies survive than die) but nevertheless, you have some valid points that everyone needs to think about and then make judgements based upon their PERSONAL circumstances.

Don't think you are going to change the world with this one! Wink

quarkandmarmite · 11/05/2016 22:10

realised I contradicted myself by saying I hate them and then not hating them! Grin

I think the intensity of the hatred is not on a par with yours!

InionEile · 11/05/2016 22:21

I actually don't care if I'm being judgey

Well I don't care about your opinion, OP, so that makes two of us then. Kind of a pointless thread really!

NeedsAsockamnesty · 11/05/2016 22:22

Does anybody know why you shouldn't have babies out after 10:30pm?

Ive just brought a new infant car seat loads of the seats I looked at are lay flat for chassis use, I just figured most of them did that these days and it was a new 'thing'

WombOfOnesOwn · 11/05/2016 22:24

What, now you're not supposed to have them out past 10:30, either? Will they turn into pumpkins?

WombOfOnesOwn · 11/05/2016 22:25

Or gremlins! Maybe they'll turn into gremlins!

PixieMiss · 11/05/2016 22:27

No idea Needs. My house is so hot that a few nights ago I pushed my 7 week old round the cul de sac a few times at that time of night.

It was that or keep trying to soothe a too hot, screaming baby in vain!

SingingMyOwnSpecialSong · 11/05/2016 22:31

We used a carrycot, with the mattress tilted, and a car seat about the same amount when DD was very little with severe silent reflux, she hated slings. Our Peadiatric consultant was fine with it, so we were not too bothered by judgemental people like yourself who disapproved.

Cliffdiver · 11/05/2016 22:31

Have not RTFT op but you need to realise and understand that when you see someone out you see a snippet of their life -not necessarily an accurate representation.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 11/05/2016 22:36

What, now you're not supposed to have them out past 10:30, either? Will they turn into pumpkins?

I have no clue it's just a poster upthread berated the op for talking about travel systems when if she wanted to be righteously outraged she could talk about babies out after 10:30

Strokethefurrywall · 11/05/2016 22:41

Hmmm, see Lorraine46 why would you judge someone with their baby out until 10.30pm or get worked up about it?

I live in a warm climate, where people seem very normal and non-judgy about these things. When DS1 was born we were regularly out late with him at happy hour, dinners out, boat trips. And that was from his first week. If he was tired he slept. If he was awake he was passed around all of our friends to hold.

We took him to dinner with us until he started to steal food of our plates at which point we left him at home.

Not sure that keeping kids and babies out late really warrants a judgy pants wedgie.

AdjustableWench · 11/05/2016 22:47

Or gremlins! Maybe they'll turn into gremlins!

Don't get them wet!

PixieMiss · 11/05/2016 22:49

Or feed them after midnight!

Ooh a full nights sleep....

Amymarie90 · 11/05/2016 22:54

Yes very judgy! Their baby may have autism which would not be detected for years after this but who may scream with sensory pain every time they are free in a cot or pram with no apparent reason at this stage.

The parent may be a single parent or a family of low income who cannot afford to have two types of pushchair so had to make do with just this one until the baby is old enough for a stroller.

Could be any reason! DO NOT MAKE UNEDUCATED JUDGEMENTS

Listerscat · 11/05/2016 23:01

Dh always says "no one's looking at you, they've got better things to do". But this thread proves that people are looking and judging. I dont use the car seat much because dh is at work with the car. But I used it on the school run twice (I walk to the school, but took a cab) 2x last term, and now I'm worried to go to the school tomorrow. Those mums won't know ds was only in the seat for a v short period of time, his walks are in the pram, but they wont know that. They must have all been looking and talking about me. I can't stand the thought of people looking at me or talking about me. I walk everywhere to avoid the bus, and only go in half empty shops and do the supermarket shop at night. I spend all day trying to avoid people seeing me and judging me, but the school run can't be avoided. I wish that instead of the Emmas Diary that you still get in the Bounty Pack, there was just a guide book of everything that you must do and not do in order to avoid judgement. I would follow it to the T

Alisvolatpropiis · 11/05/2016 23:17

What's wrong with having a newborn out after 10:30pm? My husband and I enjoyed many an evening out and about when our daughter was newborn last summer.

Couldn't do it now because she goes to bed at 7 and sleeps 12 hours but when she was newborn, why not? Her "bed time" was at 11pm aka when we went to bed and took the Moses basket upstairs. She merrily slept in her carry cot attached to her pram if we went out.

Blossom591 · 11/05/2016 23:38

my nephew couldn't poo in his due to the angle
Genuinely don't get that
Mine pooed in their high chair sat upright Confused

Blossom591 · 11/05/2016 23:41

12 years ago I had a Bebe Confort travel system where you could tilt the car seat at any angle so baby could 'sit up' or lie down flat (albeit with knees up slightly ) are there not ones like that still available?

TurquoiseDress · 12/05/2016 00:31

Shit, have I missed the ruling about not taking young babies out after 10.30pm?!

Quick call social services!

When our LO was tiny we had many an evening out, he was snoozing in his pram.
In Europe it seems v much ok to be out & about with your baby late into the evening!