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To ask my friend to stop turning up at my house every single day? (very long sorry!)

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NewRags · 05/05/2016 11:44

Ok so I have a male friend, I'll call him X to save me typing my friend all the time!

I apologise for the seriously long post but I'm trying to avoid drip feeding.

So my OH and I have known X for many years, we all grew up in the same village, went to the same school (although not at the same time he is 6 years older than me but the same age as OH), went to the same local pub etc etc.

He has fallen out with various people over the years because he is a very big gossip/stirrer and people obviously don't take too kindly to this including my OH who doesn't have anything to do with him other than being polite/civil if they bump into each other.

He has a really annoying habit of just turning up at my house rather than texting/ringing first - hasn't really been much of an issue up to now as I am rarely in my house and if I wasn't at home he would just drive off, but I go somewhere every evening and X used to go there maybe once or twice a week at the same time as me.

I don't want to state where it is I go in the evenings (it's not a pub or anything like that!) because it might out me but I have to go there every evening at roughly the same time there is no alternative to this incase someone suggestions not going there. I HAVE to keep him on my side for reasons which I won't go into - falling out with him would be serious bad news for me.

So X is single and a few years ago (when me and my OH had just started dating) he helped me out a LOT with different things - I never asked him to, he always just happened to be around when I was struggling with something and this saved me a great deal of effort and time for which I was massively thankful for.

Anyway, he used to confide in me for different things, mainly his love life, and took my listening as a wrong signal and asked me out on a date - I let him down gently by saying sorry you're a nice guy but I only see you as a friend and you're not my type I'm dating Y (my current OH) to which he then wanted to know what Y had that he didn't. Got very offended and avoided me for weeks and made things very difficult for me.

Fast forward to now- he had been relatively normal up to 3 weeks ago, was happy me and OH are still together but had this annoying habit of just turning up to my house every weekend without fail when he knows I'm really really busy and only have a few hours on the weekend to do things I want to do, whether it be cleaning the house or just relaxing for 2 hours max. He would turn up and stay for those entire 2 hours just gossping/stirring and going on and on about his lovelife or lack thereof.

So about 2 months ago he met a woman, turned up and told me all about it, I was genuinely really happy for him and didn't hear from him much during the 3 weeks they were together but then it went horribly wrong he tried pushing it into something more serious really quickly, she freaked out and backed off.

Since then he has been calling me daily/texting me/turning up at my house on a daily basis and going on and on and on about how they split up, insists I read all the messages between them, replays all the scenarios and we have the same conversation every single day.

He he has now met another girl which happens to be an ex girlfriend of my OH from years ago. Told me he happened to bump into her even though she lives 20 miles away and he wasn't anywhere near her home town and then she went back to his and slept together... I find this really hard to believe but that's not the point - he keeps begging me not to tell my OH as he thinks he will get really mad (he won't!) yet rings me to talk about her when he knows I will be with my OH.
He now wants me to go to this girls place of work to "check her out" on his behalf to see if she's his type - I have no idea what his type is it seems to be anyone that will listen to him for more than 5 minutes. I also find it hard to get my head around why someone would need "checking out" after they've already slept together?

I'm getting fed up of him quite frankly, I'm fed up of him turning up unannounced at my house every day - I'm rarely there but my neighbour has told me he has often sat outside for an hour or more and that would coincide with phone calls asking where I was. He waits for me in the evenings at the place I go, and then goes on and on, if I say sorry I'm busy gotta dash he will follow me in the car then go on and on, turns up at my parents house if I'm there.
I work from home twice a week and he came round last week and let himself in because I didn't answer! was most put out when I said I was working and waited outside my house until I'd finished and tackled me when I was leaving the house. And if all of that fails he will ring me constantly. I can't not answer as it might be important and he will start off the conversation with something that seems quite genuine and then ramble on about his love life or start gossiping.

He constantly looks for compliments - sent me a message on FB yesterday which said "oh I don't think I'll be seeing this girl again I'm FAR too ugly" obviously wanting me to say no you're not etc.

Luckily my OH knows what X is like and doesn't seem him as a threat whatsoever but that's not really the point - I wouldn't dream of hounding a male friend if they were in a relationship! OH knows I am in a difficult position with regards to not offending him also.

I think most people in this situation would have asked X to stop this but he gets massively offended if you say you can't talk and goes into a strop and then proceeds to make things awkward for me.

He rang me yesterday, I didn't answer as I was in a meeting so he then text me asking why I wouldn't answer so I said I was busy and what is the problem? He just said nothing is wrong I just need to chat to you so can you answer. I just said no sorry I'm really busy to which he said fine I'll see you later then.

He doesn't seem to get the message, I've tried hiding in my house when he turns up (I really shouldn't have to!) but he will try all the doors in my house, goes round the back, rings me, waits outside etc and its all to gossip or tell me about his latest love conquest and I've had enough. If I say I'm really busy don't have time to stop and chat he won't take this as a hint to leave he just says he will talk whilst I carry on doing whatever it is I need to do. Last week I thought I had found the perfect answer - I said I wasn't feeling well and wanted to just try and have a sleep so he said ok I'll just wait downstairs for you then!

I also feel incredibly guilty as he has helped me out a lot in the past and don't really want that thrown in my face either and I feel like a right cow for not wanting to speak to him all the time when he obviously doesn't have anyone else to talk to.

It's not as if I didn't give him the time of day to start with - when he broke up with the first girl initially I was there for him every single day for 2 weeks, gave him advice which he completely ignored - I told him to delete her from Facebook because he kept checking what she had posted then sent me screenshots and wanted me to analyse it in detail as to what she was trying to say. Apparently " Just popping to the shops with friends" is a cryptic message saying she wants to get back together Confused and wouldn't have it when I said it wasn't anything other than just popping to the shops with her friends.

So I need to somehow tell him in a way which won't offend him and make him go off on one, that I can't cope with the daily bombardment of messages/phone calls/ turning up.

Any ideas please? and thankyou for getting this far!

OP posts:
NewRags · 06/05/2016 09:49

yeah my OH knows exactly how much of PITA X is but because of the business he doesn't get involved - he knows if he did start saying something to X then X would probably wind him up to the point where he wouldn't hold back ( I don't mean physically) and that would probably be the end of the business, I would probably go down to find all my "stuff" thrown out on the road so with X it seems softly softly is the best way to approach it.

As soon as I've found somewhere else I will block him and tell him exactly where to shove things!

I really do think he may have some sort of mental health issue because as others have pointed out he fails to read people, he gets it massively wrong but then that's not my fault either. I think because he's known me for so long and has been used to bending my ear a lot and I'm the only one that hasn't told him to shove it then he relies on me and its becoming more and more.

I didn't hear from him after I saw him in the evening and I haven't heard from him today (its still early I know!) so I will have to see if he does stay true to his word and hope he doesn't do anything stupid but I know this can't go on long term I am definitely looking into other options.

OP posts:
glassgarden · 06/05/2016 09:51

Agree he sounds dangerous, if you get a formal contract he will find some other way to have some control over you, possibly taking more trouble to make sure it's something you can't get out of

Pseudo341 · 06/05/2016 09:52

I don't think for one second your problem is solved, in fact it's probably about to get a lot worse. Expect more sabotage at work in the near future. Please listen to everyone saying you could be in danger. He may not have harmed you so far but he's clearly not acting rationally at all and you've just thrown a spanner in the works. Take anything he does to retaliate very seriously. I think a chat with the police might be sensible in case things escalate. And seriously, you need to move your business or give it up.

The woman he met doesn't exist BTW. I'd be tempted to get in touch with DP's ex to see if that was made up too. X is completely obsessed with you and trying to make you jealous. He's not going to give up until you're out of his sight.

Whatthefreakinwhatnow · 06/05/2016 09:54

www.stalkingriskprofile.com/what-is-stalking/types-of-stalking

I think X is classic intimacy seeking stalker material, I have met many over the years via work, hence the alarm bells.

You are definitely doing the right thing severing all ties, it's the only way. He will continue to hound you, and may become very angry and/or aggressive, as he genuinely believes your relationship to be far more intimate than it is, but once you are no longer beholden to him I hope thst you will feel able to report his continued behaviour to the Police.

LitteRedSparkle · 06/05/2016 09:55

Is your business something that you cannot take a break from, or move to home short term?

I agree, this guy sounds like he could be real trouble and you are best of cutting your losses and at least being safe and feeling comfortable

AnotherTimeMaybe · 06/05/2016 10:04

OP you did great! Just a little note please be careful putting the jealous thing on your husband. If this chap has MH issues he could see your OH as a blocker to your future and he could get violent
Unfortunately I had a stalker for couple of years, he had seriously MH issues and thank God it didn't turn nasty, but as soon as started turning him away it became hell

Please be very careful don't push him too much and don't engage into to much conversation now that you decided to turn it around
No fucking business is worth this

VagueIdeas · 06/05/2016 10:08

The woman he met doesn't exist BTW

I agree with that. All these one night stands don't really fit with a man with his poor social skills. He's trying to portray himself to you in a way that makes him look good / make you jealous.

GinAndSonic · 06/05/2016 10:10

It probably would have been wiser to just say "I feel smothered by the amount of messages, calls and visits. I don't feel I'm the best person to advise you on your love life, and I think you should find another person to talk to about that. Please don't visit without checking it's ok first, and understand that I won't always be able to take your calls or answer your messages immediately but I will get back to you if it's important." then any messages about love life answer with "sorry, I have no advice for you". Messgaes asking to visit "sorry, not tonight".

Can you run the business from home?

ExtraHotLatteToGo · 06/05/2016 10:15

Good start.

If I were you though, I wouldn't do anything formally, I'd just work on finding another premises and saving up the money - or look into a grant/loan.

All the paperwork in the world isn't going to stop him throwing your stuff out, blocking you in, calling you etc. Yes it would enable you to go through legal channels to rectify it, but do you want the expense, hassle, worry of that?

shinynewusername · 06/05/2016 10:24

Much of this advice hinges on this guy being rational and bad at misreading cues, but this is not the case. Actually he sees the cues for what they are and doesn't care anyway. The most chilling thing is that when you turned him down, he started damaging property and blocking you in wherever this business is. That's proper stalker and possibly dangerous behaviour

Agree. I think it is a terrible idea to tell him OH is jealous. That is likely to reinforce X's belief that you have a special, clandestine relationship with him ("Newrags wants me really, it's just Mr Newrags who is coming between us"). It is likely to make his behaviour escalate.

NewRags · 06/05/2016 10:25

No I don't believe any of the one night stands either - I do sort of believe the ex girlfriend of OH thing because he came out with things that only she would have known but what I think happened is that he stalked found her on facebook, arranged to go for a coffee and that was it, I don't believe anything else happened.
BTW not that its particularly relevant but this girl he apparently took home and slept the other night with happened to be another ex girlfriend of another friend Confused

If it was anyone else I would have told them how disgusting I think they are for just casually going around and finding ex girlfriends of friends and sleeping with them but a) I don't believe any of it and b) I don't want to rile him up.

He didn't think there was anything wrong with just turning up because that's what he does to anyone else - I told him perhaps he should rethink that because its actually quite rude to just turn up unannounced and because I'm always busy and rarely get time to myself I find I don't get chance to do the things I want to do when he arrives, and anything he needs to say he can say IF I am there the same time as him in the evenings and only if its important because I don't have the head space right now to listen to gossip.

I feel relieved I got it off my chest but also quite nervous as to what might be waiting for me later.. I have decided that if anything strange happens from now on I will report to the police but I am going to try and lie low and not rock the boat until (if) I find somewhere else.

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glassgarden · 06/05/2016 10:28

He's got you on tenterhooks

Draylon · 06/05/2016 10:47

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TimeIhadaNameChange · 06/05/2016 10:51

Could you arrange a weekly meet-up in a cafe, and tell him you're not available outwith that time? So he knows he will see you regularly still, but not at your house and you're in control of when and where. If he does try to see you at other times you just say to him that you're busy now, but you'll see him in a few days (and be able to give a definite time).

VagueIdeas · 06/05/2016 10:55

Why should OP appease this man with a guaranteed weekly meet up when she'd rather not see him at all? That would be playing right into his controlling, stalkery hands. He needs to know that he doesn't have the right to her "friendship" at all, considering how badly he's been treating her.

yorkshapudding · 06/05/2016 11:09

It's all very well telling OP to report this man's behaviour to the Police but if she isn't willing to cut ties with him (and is now planning on formalising their business arrangement so she will be contractually tied to him in some way) because doing so would be inconvenient/expensive then I don't see what they can realistically be expected to do.

I am not in any way condoning or normalising his behaviour. I'm just pointing out the contradiction in asking the Police to protect you from unwanted contact from someone while simultaneousy benefiting from use of their premises/property for free or at a reduced rate.

glassgarden · 06/05/2016 11:09

Is there a right way to handle a stalker?
there are wrong ways but it seems that in many respects the stalker has the stalkee over a barrel

NoSquirrels · 06/05/2016 11:15

Well done, OP. I think you done good.

Hope it works!

BeYourselfUnlessUCanBeAUnicorn · 06/05/2016 11:27

Oh no. He sounds obsessed with you. I imagine he isn't going to give up without a fight. I hope I'm wrong!

FirstWeTakeManhattan · 06/05/2016 11:30

Well done OP. You've been really strong.

I get your point yorksha, but I think the police should still able able to act upon any complaint by the OP, even if she is still in a business arrangement.

That said, get out OP. You must, you really must. Cut all ties with him and start living your life normally again.

GlitteryFluff · 06/05/2016 11:30

I do think it's an unhealthy obsession, probably leaning towards harassment or stalking. It's not normal behaviour. I'd be wary of being alone with him tbh.

ApocalypseNowt · 06/05/2016 11:52

Yes, there are lots of wrong ways to deal with a stalker, some of which have been mentioned on this thread - appeasement, explaining yourself, making up stuff to 'put him off' (i.e. dh is jealous).

The right way is to say 'go away' and mean it. If you ignore him for a week then go back and explain/say go away again all he has learnt that it takes a week of messages/phonecalls/turning up to get you to respond. You need to completely cut contact (including all business ties...official or otherwise) and have nothing whatsoever to do with this person. Your dh needs to do this also.

From NOW keep a log/diary of all calls/messages/contact so you can present to the police if and when necessary.

GlitterGlassEye · 06/05/2016 13:46

He sounds like he could be a danger to you op. Seriously. I'd want out of the situation completely. A legally binding contract won't make his behaviour normal. I'd run for the fucking hills to be quite honest.

SolidGoldBrass · 06/05/2016 14:10

I think you should now go and have a word with your local community police, and tell them the whole story so that it is on record. Then, when this wanker of a man starts implementing the punishments he has in store for you (because he will punish you, he's done it before), go back to the police and report it - I expect he will damage or destroy your business materials, or lock you out of the premises, or something like that. But please do bear in mind there is also a possibility of him physically attacking you. From everything you have said, I would not be surprised if he hadn't always intended to escalate to insist that you allow him sex on your body in exchange for continued access to the business. He may just decide to attack you anyway.
He is not a friend. He is a predator.

RhiWrites · 06/05/2016 14:25

Things have moved on already but I have a few suggestions.

OP, he's going to push back in for more contact. You're an addiction for him (or your friendly sympathy is) so be prepared to say:
"Friend, I can't be what you want from me. I can't be always available to you. I need space to do my job, do my evening business, see my OH, do jobs around the house and have quiet down time. I do want to see you but this level of interaction is too much and I can't do it any more."

You could also say that you're concerned he hasn't bounced back after the breakup with his ex and you think he needs more friends and outlets for his time and maybe even a spot of professional counselling to help him through this rough patch.