Stag doo in Amsterdam

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Is it me or would most other women feel unsettled about a shed loads of blokes getting rat arsed near the red light district?

If a group of men want to just get pissed and go to lots of bars why not go to Edinburgh or Paris or Barcelona some parts are quite seedy if they want something a bit edgy

There is a reason why certain cities are popular for stag parties, the sex trade at many of these places is thriving. So as much as we like to think that no man that we know would pay for sex or go to strip clubs unfortunatly the thriving business tells us otherwise and British men seem to make up a high percentage of their customers

Is it necessary to go to Amsterdam for a stag weekend I just don't think it is

What do people who say it's fine to have a stag do in Amsterdam/Prague/Germany/etc actually mean by trust?

I mean that I know that my DH is not going to go with a sex worker. What did you think it meant?

Maybe people choose Amsterdam over other European cities because it is quick, cheap & easy to get to (quicker than Edinburgh, from London), has loads of cheap places to stay and has weed cafes.

I agree with ApplePaltrow too. I've also yet to find out why holidays I take alone in Amsterdam are so seedy and depressing. Perhaps it doesn't apply to me as I don't have a penis.

People in Amsterdam should be avoiding us, not the other way round

Don't ever get a job in Tourism.
Amsterdam would disappear up its own arse if it wasn't for tourists- many of them from the UK. ( & many of them go there for the red light district that Amsterdam quite happily promotes )

If a group of men want to just get pissed and go to lots of bars why not go to Edinburgh or Paris or Barcelona some parts are quite seedy if they want something a bit edgy

I don't see how going to a seedy part of Edinburgh would be any better than going to Amsterdam. Unless by "seedy" you mean "drugs and violence, but no prostituted women".

The whole problem with a stag do in Amsterdam is that they, in all probability, chose Amsterdam because they want to be "edgy".

I have nothing but contempt for people who think it's cool to objectify women to boost their own egos. (This also applies to women who go to strip clubs because they think it's cool).

While to some, the distinction between strip club and brothel may be important, it would not be to me. Going to a strip club with a no-touch policy would still be enough for me to cancel the wedding.

I wouldn't want a relationship with a man who visits strip clubs.

Amsterdam is 60 mins from London and is set up to be a fun weekend away. Much easier and cheaper than Barcelona.

Don't see the fuss at all. Anyone who thinks otherwise most surely have trust issues with their partner? It's an hour from London, has great bars/clubs, is equally as full with hen do's as stag do's & is not just about sex & drugs.

I think men choose Amsterdam for a reason. And it ain't tulips.

TheNaze
What do you mean by trust issues?

FluffyPersian - I'm interested to hear why you feel so strongly about strip clubs? I'm not being confrontational, I'm just genuinely interested in why you feel that way.

Would you be OK with your partner being touched by a naked woman he just met in a bar? He doesn't care about her anymore than he cares about the stripper, so why would be OK and not the other?

Is it because A) the stripper doesn't even want to be there and is doing it to make money and therefor your partner is sexually touching a woman who really want it..

Or is it B) because you have dehumanised women who work in strip clubs enough to not even see them as a real person that your parter is ogling and touching?

molyholy

It is not Amsterdams fault that some men are cheating twats. They are cheating twats all by themselves. Like Amsterdam has some kind of special power that forces some men to shag prostitutes

Amsterdam's overt and longstanding legalisation of prostitution has meant that it has long been the mecca for sex tourists.

By trust I meant, if someone thinks it's ok to say, let their partner (not that they should need permission) but, in context, go to Paris or Madrid on a stag do, then why not Amsterdam? Would it be because of reputation? Wasn't trying to be controversial, just struggling to get my head around why some stag do destinations, would make people unhappy, if they trust their partner? Hope that makes sense Squirrel I know I waffle a bit

"Would it be because of reputation?"
I imagine it would be the relaxed laws on prostitution.

So the relaxed laws on prostitution mean that otherwise blameless men won't be able to resist the prostitutes?

I can't believe so many posts saying 'Amsterdam doesn't make you unfaithful'

The reason Amsterdam, Prague, etc are stag do 'destinations' is because of a cultural 'tradition' of the final fling.

They are going to see strippers, sex shows and some of the group will be using prostitutes. There will be alcohol/drugs which can hamper judgement, there will be a very easily accessed sex industry, there will be peer group pressure...
^All these ostriches that think that all their men are such perfect specimens that they could be trusted in these conditions!
Why choose Amsterdam for a stag do? Duh?^

If the red light district was literally servicing every man from the groups of men who visit Amsterdam, it would be a damn sight bigger than it actually is. Have you actually walked though it?! It's not that big!

Of course some men will avail themselves, but to suggest it's some sort of inevitability, is just as ludicrous as accusing every woman on this thread of being an ostrich.

Not all grown men are reduced to frantically rutting Jack Russells the moment they're confronted with the possibiility of sex.

Also the word 'trust' is being used a lot in this thread in a way I can't get my head around. Surely trust is not set in stone - for example, if your partner behaves suspiciously you trust them less (until you have a satisfactory explanation to put you at ease), whereas if they are frank and open you trust them more.
Opting to have a stag do (traditionally involving a final fling) in a major sex tourism destination is something that justifyably tests your partner's trust- surely?

I wouldn't care if OH went to a stag do in Amsterdam. I'd imagine that there is probably slightly less chance of them making it to a strip club in Amsterdam actually:

Normal stag do - get drunk, go to find strip club, find strip club and continue drinking there.

Stag do in Amsterdam - get drunk, get stoned, go to find strip club, get very confused and a bit freaked out by trams. Perhaps find strip club or perhaps just return to safety of bar/coffee shop and continue to smoke/drink.

I'm also not that bothered about OH going to a strip clubs on a stag do. He's told me he has and that he doesn't like them. I've been to a few, one was horrible, sleazy and the girls looked like they were doing it for their next fix... I'm sure that one had a prostitution sideline. I felt sorry for the girls there. Another one really wasn't that sleazy at all.

Someone I vaguely knew worked as a stripper in one of the more reputable clubs in London. Worked a shift a week to pay her way through university. Earnt good money. It was a 'no touching' club, no prostitution sidelines, taxis straight home post shift, etc.

I trust OH not to sleep with a prostitute. If I didnt I wouldn't be with him. However I have heard stories about people I've known and been surprised that some people have, makes me wonder how many guys have at some point.

Another thing, some women on this thread use 'seeing strippers', 'using prostitutes' and 'cheating' interchangeably. Others think there is a line between going to 'ogle but not touch', and 'cheating', others still think 'getting a naked lap dance' and 'cheating' and so on.
There's clearly no consensus.
Furthermore, for some women it is the fundemental disrespect of women inherent in seeking titillation/gratification within the sex industry that is a different sort of betrayal rather than just cheating.

I think the probability of men going on a stag do to Amsterdam and not at some point seeking out at least titillation in the red light district is pretty close to nil.

Still struggling to see the difference, think we'll have to agree to disagree Squirrel

The difference between what?

Stag do in Amsterdam - get drunk, get stoned, go to find strip club, get very confused and a bit freaked out by trams

And he bikes! And the canals! It's danger central when smashed in Amsterdam.