restraining children.....

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I've just seen this footage, and the comments are pretty disturbing claiming 'well if you're going to misbehave' etc.

AIBU to think you should never body slam a 12 year old?!

The message of this should be if you are being held by a police officer and you don't want to end up on the ground, don't resist?

Its not the being on the ground that is the problem. He was entitled to take her down. It was the delivery that was the issue. He is trained in doing it properly. He didnt use his training. He used his temper.

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Doing things properly isn't always an option especially if the person is struggling and resisting. Your objection is that the way the officer does this move is very different to the way you were trained by your department?

Doing things properly isn't always an option especially if the person is struggling and resisting

The training is specifically for when the person is struggling or resisting! Why would he need to take down someone who wasnt struggling or resisting?

My objection is that he failed to follow his training to reduce risk of injury.

What did your training say to do in that situation or similar RudeElf? And forgive me if this is too personal, are you still an officer or have you been out of it a long time?

I'm asking because you say he didn't do a procedure properly, so in other words that's not what your training was, yet you seem to expect officers to be able to carry out techniques textbook-style perfectly even when confronted by someone who is resisting. Yes the training does cover confronting and restraining violent suspects (as well as restraining non violent ones) but it is silly to assume that they will always be able to do something flawlessly. Sometimes you need to improvise, sometimes the suspect struggling so much puts you in a position where you can't do a technique the exact way your trainer showed you.

Oh look, someone who thinks theyre a smartyarse. my training is irrelevant to what that former officer did. Hth.

Yes the training does cover confronting and restraining violent suspects

Does the training include bodyslamming?

Sometimes you need to improvise

And clearly this guy's employers felt he didnt in this case and that his improvisation was uncalled for.

My OH is an officer; I showed him the video and he said that he would never use that way of handling the situation. He says that there are certain techniques which can be used for any situation, without having to deliberately cause harm... He is also trained in a Japanese martial art, which is never allowed to be used during his shifts, and that's clearly told during police training. Police have a separate self-defense and restraining training which has to be followed. This would have been reported here in the UK, which is seems to have been.

FYI, all his words, not mine. I think half of you who think it's okay, have obviously not been in police training. However, my OH is an officer in the UK.

The reason I'm asking you about your training RudeElf is because I want to know if you are literally alleging he didn't do a technique correctly according to his training. The only way you could possible know whether he did it correctly or incorrectly is if you'd had that same training.

If you haven't, and you don't know what training he received in how to handle this, then you're not saying he did his technique wrong, you're saying you don't approve of the technique he used. He might have done it flawlessly, you just don't like what he did. And maybe you're right not to like it, but that's a different thing.

Trying to be abusive towards me for calling you on that is lame.

JSarah I'm not in the police either, I just have a few buddies who are which is where I take my knowledge from. I acknowledge the differences between our police forces, ours might seem more "hands-on" to you guys.

Yes, OH and I have no experience of the US police force, so maybe this is how he was trained to handle it, but in the eyes of the law, over here, it isn't okay.

JFYI the police officer has been dismissed for this incident.

chilledwarmth I'm sure that happens a lot. Officers deal with suspects who are bigger and stronger than they are.

This however, was a big man restraining a 12 year old girl. He lifted her far off the ground before slamming her down, the logistics of that maneuver suggest it is highly unlikely that she was completley out of control and stronger than him.

Chilled he didnt follow his training. What training i have is irrelevant. I have no police training. I still can tell you now that he did not receive training in how to body slam a resistant child. I knew that even before he was fired. He has been trained properly in how to bring someone to the ground when necessary. He was in a situation where it was necessary and he didn't follow his training. I'm really struggling to see what your agenda here is other than trying to minimise physical abuse of a femal child by a man in a position of authority. Why you want to do that one can only guess.

The police officer went over the top but we didn't see enough of before hand to make a proper call. Was she struggling to much? Trying to kick or punch?

I think if the child is in a situation where they have to be body slammed by the authorities then serious words with the parents need to be had about behaviour.

This police officer was charged with child abuse so I think we can safely assume that slamming children on the floor is not part of US police training techniques.
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I think if the child is in a situation where they have to be body slammed by the authorities then serious words with the parents need to be had about behaviour.

She didnt have to be body slammed.

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Well RudeElf if you don't know what training he has, how can you say that he did a particular technique wrong? You don't know what he was trained to do, so you can't say he did this wrong. You can say that you don't agree with what he did and think he shouldn't have done it, but that's different to acting like you're an expert on police hand to hand training.

As any cop, or doorman, or anyone who does martial arts will know, there is often a world of difference between doing a move or technique in class conditions, and doing it in the real world. Sometimes the normal techniques don't work and you need to, more or less just "do what you need to do". Whether that was the case here or not, I don't know. I just know that expecting someone to religiously stick to what they were shown in training with no deviation whatsoever is wrong, that's now how it works in reality.

how can you say that he did a particular technique wrong?

Because he didnt do a technique at all. Not one he was authorised to use. He went rogue and body slammed her to the ground in a fit of temper.

you dont know what he was trained to do

I know what he wasnt trained to do, and that was body slam a child to the ground.

so you cant say he did this wrong

I absoloutely can. Just like his employers have said (they are the actual people who trained him btw)

that's different to acting like you're an expert on police hand to hand training.

Which isnt something i have done.

sometimes the normal techniques dont work and you need to, more or less just "do what you need to do"

He didnt try the normal technique. He needed to bring her to the ground. He didnt need to body slam her in order to do that. He needed to employ his training. He didnt.

expecting someone to religiously stick to their training with no deviation whatsover is wrong, that's now how it works in reality

Well his employers disagree with you. They expected him to stick to his training. He didnt, and the reality of that is that he is out of a job.