restraining children.....

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I've just seen this footage, and the comments are pretty disturbing claiming 'well if you're going to misbehave' etc.

AIBU to think you should never body slam a 12 year old?!

I will also add that physical restraint is a last resort and used if the person could harm themselves or others. Most situations, even with the most volatile teens can be bought under control verbally. I have worked with police officers who are more than capable of this.

That child seemed to be just simply resisting arrest. To be rag-dolled like that could have resulted in her death. Very easily. If a cop can't restrain a 90lb female safely, he shouldn't be a cop. To slam her into the ground like that, at force, from a height, could easily be construed as intent to murder in my book. A reasonable person could assume that such action would result in that child's death. There is absolutely no excuse for that level of force. None whatsoever.

It seems to me he did restrain her safely. Neither she nor bystanders were hurt.

How do you know she wasn't hurt? I could hear the crack of her skull or tiny frame/bones on the ground. I don't think I'd have survived such an assault. If you think that was reasonable force in restraining a child, then God bless America!

*But it's a different culture a different system different values -

She may have been armed - guns are everywhere - her friends may have been armed - it's different to the uk - guns would be an exception*

No, the media may portray it like that, and while it's true that guns can be easily obtained this is not normal US cop behaviour. This is just as shocking for Americans as it is to Brits. I have never seen a US cop behave like this, especially not a school officer, which I assume this guy was.

"I could hear the crack of her skull or tiny frame/bones on the ground."

Not even the girl has claimed he cracked her skull. Get a grip.You think that would have killed you? In which case, you probably wouldn't have been physically capable of those attempted kicks as she was.

We know she wasn't hurt as she walks past the camera at the end of the video.

I suggest you re-watch the footage.

Shocking, horrible and inexcusable.

Can't believe how many people are rationalising this.

Don't we all know where US attitudes to violence lead? 1,134 people killed by police last year.

"I suggest you re-watch the footage."

Yep. I've done so. Her skull (nor other bones) were cracked and she walks past the camera with her hands neatly cuffed behind her back.

today i learned smacking a child is bad but bodyslamming is ok

And people go on defending his actions, despite the posts from experts who have dealt with similar and worse situations without ever resorting to such brutality. If I remember rightly a man was left paraplegic after being body slammed by the US police.

My ex was teaching special needs children in a school in Chicago and the school actually called the police on an extremely troubled five-year-old who had stolen out of a teachers purse. Unbelievable. I'm the laziest mother in the world, but I would home educate rather than send a child of mine to a school that was capable of treating anyone like that.

herecome, you can hear the bang as her head hit the pavement. Do you seriously imagine she wasn't hurt? In fact it appears she was concussed, and her right eye was bruised and swollen afterwards. All concerned are incredibly lucky that it was no worse.

The man has been suspended, so his employers who know how he is and isn't supposed to do his job aren't happy. How on earth can anyone defend him?

Augusta: You're speculating as to the noise. I don't think words like "imagine" or "appears" are appropriate in a situation like this.

"The man has been suspended, so his employers who know how he is and isn't supposed to do his job aren't happy."

Suspended doesn't mean his employers are unhappy nor that they know how he is. It's procedure during an investigation.

Atenco: without knocking anyone's credibility,, I don't see any expert's posts.

Thereiat have been some other way he could.have dealt with this, no matter what she had done. He did this to the girl because he could. She was smaller than him and his strength allowed him to throw her to the ground. If this was a great hulking man who was larger than him he would have had to have dealt with him in a different manner, so there must be other ways of dealing with situations like this. What worries me is that if he was treating citizens like this in front of other people, what does he do in the confines of a prison cell or police car to get them to cooperate?

*there must have been...

The beginning of my post should have read as above!

www.theroot.com/articles/news/2016/04/san_antonio_independent_school_district_launches_investigation_after_viral.html
Bit at all this head bashing nonsense.Her face looks completely unbruised. she was apparently attacking another girl and the deputy principal was looking on.The girl, Janissa Valdex has been suspended from school

You're speculating as to the noise

No, I'm not.

I don't think words like "imagine" or "appears" are appropriate in a situation like this.

OK. Do you state that a child who has been thrown down onto a hard surface where her head has banged on the ground, has concussion and a bruised and swollen eye is unhurt, herecome?

catewood, I don't know how to break this to you, but bruising doesn't appear within a few seconds of an injury.

How did i know this would be in america before even clicking on the link?

That was pretty vile.

A large child with mental health issues of on drugs could have the strength of an adult or 2 and could be pretty unstoppable. If that is the case I think a body slam is far better than a taser, or if they were armed even worse.

It is not about being stronger or bigger it is sbout knowing where your body is strong and there's is weak and how to use that information in a crisis in order to get them safely into a position where you have physical control. I have seen a 5ft woman of 50 restrain a 6ft overweight teen that was trying to kill himself. She didn't hurt herself or him and colleagues were able to help her quickly.

This man's job requires that information, he could easily have got her down without harming her. But he didn't, he body slammed her! He should not have been in that position alone and nothing excuses what he did. I cannot belive people can't see that!

Atenco: without knocking anyone's credibility,, I don't see any expert's posts

dizzytomato, among others, seems to know her onions, unless you are suggesting that she's a complete fantasist.

It's disgusting and of course he could have killed her. She fell onto her face and is dazed and concussed afterwards.
Am I in a parallel universe or something? It was a horrifically excessive use of force and no you don't do that to a child!

herecomethepotatoes you don't need to take my word for it, The techniques speak for themselves, SAFE tactical passive restraint for example is used on both sides of the pond. This or something like it is 100% what the officer should have done.
Here is a practice drill in the US m.youtube.com/watch?v=2_VK4Bc_qcY
And here it is in action in the UK m.youtube.com/watch?v=y6liIQfbQ4s (bit with the blond boy in particular)

Do you still think this officer was right?

Do you still think this officer was right?

Yes. That boy didn't try to hurt the teacher. If he'd been agressive (headbutting for example), he could have done real damage and, in that situation, she'd have needed to get him on the floor quickly and safely. The teacher also wasn't surrounded by groups of unpredictable people in a possibly volatile situation. I don't think the two situations are comparable.

It is not about being stronger or bigger it is sbout knowing where your body is strong and there's is weak and how to use that information in a crisis in order to get them safely into a position where you have physical control.

Which is exactly what he did. He didn't have 2-4 back up officers as required according to your first link. He was a lone officer is a potentially dangerous situation trying to arrest a girl who was trying to kick him and had attacked another pupil. She was known to him for he violence.

I have an SIA licence (15 years old - even valid?) but as part of the training, we were taught how to get people on the ground quickly where they can't harm you or themselves. I was shown how to get a guy with 1' and 60kg+ advantage over me. Not exactly body slams but similar and with a similar 'risk' to the aggressor.

I think that SIA tactics (for want of a better word) a more comparable to the situation faced by the policeman than the teacher in your video.

Augusta

*You're speculating as to the noise

No, I'm not.*

Yes you are. Although not my specialism (although I'm a computer super-geek), I think it would take quite some computing power and skill to prove (if were even possible) that a particular noise is attributed to a particular action. Unless you've done so, you're speculating.