AIBU to ask if Lord Owen is right about TTIP?

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Is former Labour Minister and SDP politician, Lord David Owen right to think that TTIP will be detrimental to the NHS?

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/06/brexit-is-necessary-to-protect-nhs-from-ttip-says-david-owen

Refugees and EU immigrants are not the same issue, stop conflating.

Hovercraft
Your last post does not read like a normal parent.
It's calculating and cold
Odd
Something's wrong here
You don't actually care about our fears
Plus it has everything to do with the out of control management of a too big organisation the EU.
Anyone sane will vote LEAVE.

Lurked101
Refugees/Immigrants

If we remain in the EU,Germany ie Merkle will force us to join Shengen(open borders) and we will suffer.
Britain has always had immigration and asylum quite rightly but we cannot be flooded,our infrastructure cannot take it,our security will be at risk.
Charity begins at home.
Our security is sacrosanct.
No I put my family first and I shall vote for security I shall vote Leave.

Daisy none of your posts read like a normal person.

"You don't actually care about our fears"

Actually a lot of your "fears" would be stopped if you actually read anyone elses posts, but you just go round and round in circles posting the same eroneous arguments and linking to the Mail and Express.

"out of control management and a too big organisation"

Oh yes, and this is proved how? You know politicians who don't really have a point have been saying that they will get rid of the bureaucracy for years? Its even parodied on the Simpsons.

'Daisy none of your posts read like a normal person.'

Lurked - leave Daisy alone FFS.

And if you're a bloke on Mumsnet I think you should admit it.

'I want mums (and, more importantly, everyone) to know the full facts of the issue so that they can make an educated and informed decision what the vote comes. It's you that is desperately trying to give a one-sided opinion, unsupported by evidence...'

MyHovercraftIsFullOfEels

Not interested. A bloke telling mums their brains are falling out! You're a thug.

Inkanta: thanks for defending me I feel rather under siege as a genuine mum on here.
Anyhow heres an article by a female from ....The Guardian on why her intuition and "feel" is for us to LEAVE the EU
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/22/my-instinct-brexit-boris-anti-eu-not-anti-europe

' I haven't told that to a single mum you lying git!'

Yes you did - you said it yesterday - 'your brains seem to have fallen out!' - you said.

So take that back keyboard fucking warrior.

MyHovercraftIsFullOfEels

...and you said it ToCuttheWaffle - not UnhelpfulChap.

The difference between you and UnhelffulChap is that you don't admit you're a bloke - (neither does Lurked) and you talk down to mums' who have a different opinion. That's not about wanting mum's to know the full facts. That's thuggery.

Thats the only response you have that we're blokes, you know its fine to be a man here? Or even not a parent? Also you don't have to admit to being any gender at all if you so choose, tis why we have usernames not our own names. Annonimity.

Nut to throw it around as an insult or keep attacking others, then wrapping yourself in the "i'm just a mum" or saying stop picking on me when it comes back your way is just stupid.

'So it was, my mistake (although I'm not sure if waffle is a mum or not, but they're certainly a wind up merchant). Why you had to go trawling through other threads to bring that up here is anyone's guess though'

So is that an apology - you called me - a 'lying git'??

Are you admitting you said it to CuttheWaffle then?

'Thats the only response you have that we're blokes, you know its fine to be a man here? Or even not a parent? Also you don't have to admit to being any gender at all if you so choose, tis why we have usernames not our own names. Annonimity.'

Lurked - so you admit you're bloke?

Denigration is a big part of your repertoire isn't it.

Why are you on Mumsnet?

^
Just read you point Jassy. I suppose it begs the question why is the EU so keen to implement uniform rules on all nations on some issues and not on LGBT rights.^

They are prioritising their issues. LGBT rights are at the bottom of the pile

Alongside almost all other social policy, where the principle of EU subsidiarity was reinforced by Lisbon. The only exceptions are a few areas of employment policy.

It's a pretty deep pile.

I'll ask the question again though - would you prefer it if social policy were set by the EU?

MyHovercraftIsFullOfEels

So are you apologising for calling me a 'lying git', or is that kind of language quite normal for you in your keyboard warrior world?

And I'll point out that I'm a mother, and will not be voting based on either fear or intuition.

I'm not going to admit anything, but you can think what you like, denigration is certainly not part of my repitoire.

That's the beauty of the internet forum isn't it. Also, you are now the one attacking others.

Jessica: I think the LGBT argument gets pulled out in desperation when all others arguments have been refuted.