To cringe at the phrase "England isn't England anymore"

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Said by a friend.

Another one sounded off about Easter Eggs now being called Chocolate Eggs so not to offend people because it was on the news!

Argh!

lurked, while I don't disagree with your sentiments I need to point out that you're confusing/conflating two posters.

iusedtobecarmen said the Saudi Arabia thing, 'Religious terrorism' and 'political correctness gone mad'.

elementofsurprise was the one to talk about women in the UK being treated like second class citizens and used the word 'indigenous'.

But please don't take things to.much to heart. It's intellectual cut and thrust not intended to hurt you. I'm sure your lovely in real life.

Sorry if I've confused posts though I'm sure the post is copied and pasted the quote from mentioned all of the above.

Which is quite frankly racist, you then came back and tried to cover it by saying women were treated like second class citizens and many of the men did the same to "indigenous" women. You tried to cover your point with a veil of concern over sexism, but then tripped yourself up by using the I word (btw the UN won't use it because its really hard to prove who is indigenous).

This is from one of element's posts; the rest you copied and pasted are from carmen. The latter has not been back after her initial post about 'Saudi Arabia' except to say 'Yes 'element of surprise'. This.'

I'm more thinking along the lines of the fact that the last school I taught in there were 47 different languages spoken and an uncovered face was a rarity.

47 languages and every speaker of those languages with a covered face? I call bullshit.

Friend of mine was told in Tesco's just recently that they don't call them 'Easter' Eggs any more, because it isn''t politically correct.

Rubbish. If you look at old adverts from 30 years ago, you'll find plenty of eggs simply sold as "Chocolate eggs" not "Easter eggs". There's nothing in the Christian tradition about eating chocolate.

Then I'll apologise for getting confused. Maybe need eyesight testing in old age.

You can call bullshit all you like.

I guess if facts don't fit in with what you want to hear then just call it bullshit eh?

That aimed at me?

If you ask me England has been going downhill since they stopped child chimney sweeps and sending convicts to Australia.

It's just not the same as it once was...

Lurked you are repeatedly confusing posters.

The sad thing about corporal punishment is that these days we cannot trust those who would deal it out. I grew up with corporal punishment, we had virtually no trouble or disruption in our school. If dinner money went missing no one left until it was found, all possessions were searched. It was always returned or found. I think my generation have grown up with the best morals and the greatest respect.

You're absolutely right. They should resume beatings at schools. Also, why have they stopped hanging people who stole bread? England should return to the golden times of the Empire where everybody knew their place. It all started going completely downhill with women getting the right of inheritance and don't even let me start on the right to vote. Why can't those silly little beings be happy with breeding, cooking and tidying up?

No - at augusta

As lurked says, we are all part of a universe of energy points, where chi has gathered into earthly forms making harminosity universal where it wants to be.

Actually I do think that some 'equality' is an economic con. We have simply moved to a workplace where both partners in a two person relationship have to work, rather than choose to work as all the prices have merely shifted to need two main incomes in a household. One person managing house, accounts, family development and one warning is a good model, but it hasn't shifted to househusbands, its just shifted to everyone working for not enough. That's not the England I grew up in.(the England o grew up in was nasty class jealous tribal, and violent)

I said that? Wow..

A couple of posters seem to be saying that religious terrorism is not a new or bigger thing than it was in previous decades, citing the IRA.

Believing the two to be comparable is wrong.

The IRA was really more about politics, while the other uses key tenets of its religious text as its raison d'etre.
The IRA was geographically constrained; UK focussed in its activity (with some offshore fundraising), while this new religious terrorism is global in reach.
The IRA never sought to dominate or eliminate other cultures, they sought their own self-governance.
Also, there is the sheer volume of carnage. While terrible, the IRA caused approximately 1500 deaths over a period of 30 years. I cannot begin to think how many have already died due to recent religious terrorism.
I am sure there are plenty more differences evident if I thought about it.

Don't want to hijack this thread, but scoffing at religious terrorism being a new thing by citing the IRA is ignorant and not even acceptable for a politically posturing 6th former.

In the England I grew up in, my Indian mother was racially harassed out of the school where she taught. Queer-bashing was rife, wife-beating was a joke, rape in marriage was legal, women were paid less than men, and the National Front had quite a bit of support. Glory days, eh?

But the ira have killed far more British nationals than the current lot. Remember in the past we wouldn't have heard as much about foreign attacks too

There has been many changes in my lifetime some good some not so good

Immigration has changed some parts of the country not necessarily a bad thing but sometimes it has been for the good for all the people living there yet when this is bought up people are often called racist etc

So it's something I can understand but do not necessarily agree with wholeheartedly

The ira killed 1650 or so which was 49 pc of all troubles related deaths. Concentrated in the British Isles and posed a far bigger risk to British people than current issues. So you are right that it is not comparable.

Aussiemum78 - thumbs up.

Although I'd say it's gone downhill since the English stopped cutting people's hands off for stealing or possibly it wasn't stealing but for something else. Anyway, Elizabethans. England hasn't been England since then.

Lurked, if you truly believe that the IRA posed a bigger threat to UK nationals than the growth of what we now see, and the context within which they may operate, then I am glad you currently feel secure.

It's true, England isn't England anymore.

When I watch some of the old television shows based in old England. I cringe. A Black women left in an alley on the floor in crippling labour pains because she was black and the neighbours wouldn't help her up and home. Or alert a Midwive.

I'd love to take people that say that back and see just how mush they like it. Uneducated buffoons!

The IRA main targets were not civilians that is not to say there was nothing to fear

Also we were directly involved