Unvaccinated children around newborn

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I don't want to clog the other post here but I wondered what peoples thoughts are.

I'm currently pregnant. My closest friend chooses not to vaccinate her children aged 2 and 6 and has done this since pregnancy, both children attend nursery. Although I wouldn't make the same decision I don't want to debate her reasoning or the pros and cons of vaccination, there has been plenty of that on the other thread.

I have tried to research the possible risks but feel I'm stumbling in the dark on google. AIBU to not allow her / her children to have contact with my DS until he is able to receive his immunisations or am I being PFB?

Lets not pretend we are all just these selfless, giving people who do things for someone elses good.

I don't think anyone is pretending that. I'm not sure what this point adds to the debate either - we are discussing vaccinations and non vaccinated children around newborns, not the rights and wrongs of smoking, driving etc.

And how do you know that I haven't seen someone who has been vaccine injured? You are making a massive assumption there...

I've not seen vaccine damage first hand, but I understand risk. We all go through the same when a loved one needs an operation, knowing there is a tiny risk that they will die under anaesthetic.

part of life, I'm afraid. Shit happens and not always to other people. Nothing is 100% safe.

The point I was making about the smoking/driving etc, is this is the only subject i can think of were we are supposed to do something for 'everyone elses child' at the possible detriment of our own.

Specialsubject...my point being, its very easy to see that risk as tiny and 'it wont happen to me' until it does happen to you. then you dont have the luxury of it being a far distant thing. 'shit happens' is not so easy to deal with when its your child that the shit happens to. and of course the same goes when your child is the one damaged by an illness. perspective is everything. and personal experience quite naturally influences your perspective. I just dont like the assumption that because I dont vaccinate after my experiences I am some kind of idiot who doesn't care about other people. nothing could be further from the truth on either point, but when push comes to shove, I have to do what I believe to be right for my children.

Fourfifths...I wasn't meaning you personally or directly with my statement. Just something I hear and see on this topic often (like special subjects sensitively put 'shit happens' for instance) and it does get to me. I apologise for assuming.

I wonder if people with unvaccinated children would ever take them to countries where the majority of the population are unvaccinated?

The vaccination status of the population does not worry me, I am confident that my kids have strong immune systems. But I will not take them to countries that demand vaccinations.

OP, if you are BF your baby, then they will have your immunity and the non vaccinated kids should not pose any risk to your baby.

When mine were little, the biggest risk seemed to be from the nasty snotty colds they all got from the soft play places where they dribbled all over the place.

OP, if you are BF your baby, then they will have your immunity and the non vaccinated kids should not pose any risk to your baby.

Risk is reduced, but is by no means gone. Seriously, this is dangerous advice.

What about TB then? That's a nasty disease making a comeback. Has everyone had their DC vaccinated?

My dd has been vaccinated against TB and has had all the other jabs. She's almost 17 and perfectly well

Kelpeed...then so should smokers, and people who are injured drunk, or due to drugs, or who hurt themselves doing sports, or when driving cars, all of those people make choices that cost the nhs money.

children in my family have a form of epilepsy which for them was diagnosed quite early.
For some children with this condition the first problems show up after being vaccinated The vaccine is not the cause, but is the trigger.
Children with this condition have a seizure because they have a rise in temperature,. Any common childhood illness or cold or temperature, for instance getting too hot in sun can trigger a seizure. Some children first show this problem under a year old. my nieces had seizures in first early months, but many do not.
It is always good to rule out all causes before confirming vaccination as culprit.

My nieces are vaccinated under medical care, as they are at huge risk if they catch any illness. However this is often cancelled and given at later then recommended due to their own illness and recovery. During this time mixing with any other children who are ill is a risk and certainly those who are not vaccinated are a risk as well.
As each severe seizure carries risk of further brain damage or death, this is an important aspect to consider. So we as a family would prefer to mix with children who are vaccinated when we have the choice.

My own children with severe allergies were vaccinated, and special ones ordered which were suitable.

We have adult members of family damaged from measles and whooping cough, brain damage, deafness and spine curving. These diseases which they all survived due to their healthy immune systems, still left their mark for a life time.

If your friend didn't have car seats/seatbelts would you let your baby be in her car?

This is the same thing. It's probable that nothing will happen but if it does the result could be disasterous

It surprises me when people talk about newborns and unvaccinated children but no one mentions adults. Adults are the most common source of Whooping Cough (Pertussis) infection in infants. Link

Your choice of course but it bothered me not one bit. I didn't ask people thier vaccine status.

Personally I would keep my newborn away from children who are not immunised until they are immunised themselves. Over the course of a year there is no guarantee that you won't come into contact non-immunised children without knowing it but to know and not seriously consider the risk you are taking with your DC's life is irresponsible in my view.

Yesterday 22:25 ArgyMargy

What about TB then? That's a nasty disease making a comeback. Has everyone had their DC vaccinated?

When DD was born in 07 she had the tb vaccine before she could leave the hospital. Assume that is still the case.

Kelpeed- I am not an 'anti-vaxxer'. I AM a tax payer. I'm also the parent of a child who almost died due to vaccination who isn't willing to take that risk with my other children. I'm also aware that my choice also carries risk and that's something I have to live with.

I feel the same as you. I didn't go to any of my toddler groups etc until my baby had her first injections. Insane any vaxers look like you and me.

My baby was lying next to an older child at the weigh in and its idiot mother proclaimed the baby wasn't vaccinated - gave her a wide birth. The incompetent was unaware of the risk to her baby and others.

I say do what you want with your life until it affects others.

Peggy obviously has never seen some of these diseases in action. If she had I think she'd be a lot less laissez faire about it. It seems that ignorance has set in. We are cosseted in our 21st century lives - go back a few hundred years and the horror of these diseases will be found. We are taking vaccination for granted in a way.

Why should my vaccinated children protect yours through herd immunity?? What makes them so special?? Absolutely nothing.

Ok so adults are a risk. Fine. But why add to the possibility of infection by adding unvaccinated children in the mix. You're just asking for trouble.

Side don't call her 'lovely' it's really patronising.

Side your argument is not utilitarian and you don't deserve to be part of society with that attitude. It's beyond contempt.

DIy oh my days , these diseases are rare because they are vaccinated against (mumsnet should have a test before people can post on here!)