To ask Brexit or Bremain?

[LittleLionMansMummy]

Just a snap poll really:

I'm an innie.

Out

Out. Always have been.

In!

Out!

Leaning towards out.

I don't believe that we have any power at all, as citizens. I think we're in a better position being in the union, meaning we are at least stood by and aided if the shit hits the fan. We aren't doing enough to help migrants.

Sorry but the idea of dave and George Osborne having complete free reign and also creating a new human rights act terrifies me. Isn't the human rights act drafted within the UN? Meaning that if we leave, this will obviously be scrapped? (Someone mentioned previously this wouldn't be the case)

Out!

I don't want to be ruled by Germany. Besides, Merkel has wrecked her own country by inviting millions of unchecked migrants over, I'm not sure she's fit to rule.

I don't believe that we have any power at all, as citizens.

That's why we need to vote OUT and start getting our power back.

I think we're in a better position being in the union, meaning we are at least stood by and aided if the shit hits the fan.

Like the Greeks were?

We aren't doing enough to help migrants.

We're doing a lot more than most EU countries.

Sorry but the idea of dave and George Osborne having complete free reign and also creating a new human rights act terrifies me. Isn't the human rights act drafted within the UN? Meaning that if we leave, this will obviously be scrapped? (Someone mentioned previously this wouldn't be the case)

ECHR is not an EU institution. We can leave the EU and keep our Human Rights.

The problem was who she ended up with lots of young single men from various countries not who she invited, which I remember to be Syrian refugee families.

Agreed merkel made a huge mistake. But why would we be ruled by Germany? We aren't at the moment?
What will happen when big business leave the Uk? Where will we work? What if the Tories decide to cut or scrap benefits? Isn't the benefit system tied into the Eu?

You still haven't explained how we as individuals will get our power back spring? Can you tell me exactly?

In.

Followyourart, the benefit system is NOT connected to the EU at all. Some EU countries do not have a benefit system e.g. Spain. Which is why many migrants come to the UK to take advantage

Agreed merkel made a huge mistake. But why would we be ruled by Germany? We aren't at the moment?

Nobody is saying that we're currently ruled by Germany. People are however wondering why negotiations with Russia and Turkey seem to be led by Merkel and Hollande with Cameron conspicuously absent.

What will happen when big business leave the Uk? Where will we work?
They won't. Aston Martin just announced a new factory in the UK. HSBC announced they were staying in London. They tried the same scare stories before the Scottish referendum. The chairman of the British Chambers of Commerce recommended we leave the EU - just before he was booted out of his job for saying so. Some of our large car manufacturers say it will make no difference to them. Next, Wetherspoons JCB all for OUT.

What if the Tories decide to cut or scrap benefits? Isn't the benefit system tied into the Eu?
No. But, because any EU citizen cam come to live in the UK and will qualify for benefits, the levels of benefits the UK pays to everyone living in the UK may be reduced as it is illegal under EU to discriminate against any EU nationality.

You still haven't explained how we as individuals will get our power back spring? Can you tell me exactly?

I think you're pulling my leg

Out

Out. But I do want to remain on good terms with the EU.
Its like the scottish ref all over again. Europe is like England was. Spiteful.

^1.The right to make your own laws
2.The right to defend yourself
3.The right to raise your own taxes
4.The right to control your own borders
5.The right to trade freely with other nations*

That's too headline for me. On point 1 alone I know, from the sector I work in, that not all of the legislation I work to has been handed down from Europe.

In

Definitely out

That's too headline for me. On point 1 alone I know , from the sector I work in, that not all of the legislation I work to has been handed down from Europe.

OK.

1. The right to make all your own laws. Why should we be 'handed down laws' at all. No power should be superior to our own sovereign Parliament. Accepting laws from another body is accepting their superiority over the democratic domestic Parliament that you can vote out of office every 5 years at a general election.

2.Self -explanatory

1. The right to raise (or not raise) all your taxes, instead of having to ask the EU nicely if we could drop the tax on Tampax.

1. The right to control our own border by having the ability to operate our own immigration policy that would invite people with skills from throughout the world, instead of us having to admit every EU citizen who wishes to live here, regardless of their skill level.

5.The right to trade freely with all 168 other nations in the world that are not in the EU and with whom our trade is increasing, while our ratio of exports to the EU is declining. We cannot make our own trade deals with the rest of the world while we are in the EU as the EU prohibits us from doing so. So Iceland can negotiate a trade deal with China, but we can't and the EU hasn't done so far. The EU puts up barriers to trade for some of those countries in Africa which could benefit from our trade, like the Kenyan flower-growers who are at times priced out of the European market by high tariffs designed to protect European growers, which keep domestic prices high..

And these too are still just 'headlines'. There is much, much more that could be said.

out

And these too are still just 'headlines'. There is much, much more that could be said.

Absolutely there is more to be said. However, I appreciate you taking the time to expand. I'll be doing a lot of research up to the vote.

TheCrimsonPleb

Thank you. I hope everyone will seek out as much information as they can. It's more than just a once in a generation decision. I cannot imagine our children ever being offered another referendum.

In!

Re: the comments on cost. It's always useful to look at both sides.

"We get out more than we put in. Our annual net contribution to the EU amounts to £340 per household (HM Treasury), but the CBI (Confederation of British Industry) estimate that EU membership is worth £3,000 for average households – a return of almost ten times what we put in."

In