Can't believe what Sky News reporter just said re child sex abuse victim of Adam Johnson

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Did anybody else see this? I'm horrified and a bit disturbed tbh.

The reporter was talking to an ex footballer about the case and said 'Do you think it's hard for people to understand how hard it is to deal with the temptations put in the way of footballers'.... 😟
The ex footballer responded in agreement with the reporter, saying how oh yes it's very hard for them, etc....

So we can assume from this that these men see children as 'temptations put in their way'?

i feel sick 😞

He's a hebephile.

we need to educate young teen girls to try and minimise these things happening

Hilarious. I suppose we also need to educate women in general to stop wearing make up and short skirts and anything else that would be putting 'temptation in their way'. FFS.

Yes I remember that feeling, I think it's quite common. But the men you met weren't 'easy to manipulate' they were rather quick to take advantage of you . Decent men wouldn't do this.

Comeon- your lads are very likely much more mature than this man, not everyone is, we assume that everyone is equally mature at the same age. Believe me I was able to spot a weakness at 1000 paces and I would have no issue exploiting that man. I was a Very very nasty piece of work. I certainly wouldn't have gone to the police , that would have been pointless, I didn't feel like a victim and that would have seriously inhibited my ability to hunt my next victim. Toe curling but true. Your boys wouldn't have been on my radar, if they had, I'd have been calculating enough not to let them realise I was 15. But the sort of man who would turn a girl down because she is young wouldn't be worth going for anyway. To Those of you who find this type of thing in a 14/15 year old incomprehensible, this is to your credit. However it does happen.

Lolita, is that even a word?

Disgusting applied to this case, but yes. It's an eponymous novel, or was originally.

Lolita (book)

Lolita (slang)

What am I saying? It's disgusting applied to ANYTHING other than the book.

In the book, Lolita was a pre pubescent girl.

In popular culture, this has been airbrushed into a knowing teenage temptress.

I despair at some of the replies on this thread.

"No he shouldn't have even gone there but I very much doubt this girl is 100% victim."

She was 100% a victim of a man who groomed her and he deliberately made her feel like she owed him sexual activity because he gave her a present. But that's okay because she was fifteen and probably a bit predatory herself. No.

Ranking victims because of their age, their previous sexual experience, their possible behaviour, is bullshit.

Even more bullshit is ranking how much of a victim someone else is based on your previous sexual experience and behaviour at the same age.

For fucks sake he's admitted in court that he wanted to make her feel like she owed him sexual favours, what more do you need to accept that she is the victim, 100%, because he was the predator in this situation?

"I'm sorry but at 15 you are not a kid, you are coming very close to adulthood and I would question why young girls think it's ok to get close to/make friendships with adult men, we need to educate them and tell them it is not ok to pursue men that are over 16 when they themselves are not."

At fifteen you are a kid. You are coming close to adulthood but you are not an adult. Some sixteen year olds may be level headed and mature, some not so much, but no matter how mature they are, they are not yet adults.

Being close to adulthood doesn't mean that they are capable of dealing with a situation like this, where an adult man takes advantage of their age and inexperience to engineer a situation like this. It doesn't matter that she contacted him first. He initiated all the sexual conversations and engineered a situation to make her feel like she owed him sexual contact with her.

That was not her. That was him.

We do need to educate all teens about sexual abuse, but not in the victim-blaming or slut-shaming way you have suggested.

We need to teach them all, male and female, about enthusiastic consent.

We need to teach them that they can say no.

We need to teach them to accept someone else saying no.

We need to teach them that the absence of a no is not automatically a yes.

We need to teach them that being made to feel as though they owe sex is wrong. Nobody owes sex to anybody else.

We need to teach them that an adult would not expect sex or sexual contact from them.

We need to teach them to respect someone who says they are not sure about sex, or says they are not ready for sex, or says they don't want to have sex.

We do not need to teach them that at fifteen they are practically an adult and so must take a share of the blame if an adult abuses them in some way. Because, and I feel I can't say this often enough, that is bullshit.

I'm disgusted by the amount of victim blaming going on here. So you were happy to have sex with grown men at fifteen, it didn't make it right for the 'men' to accept it! They were the fucking adults!

Just because you didn't view yourself as a child doesn't mean that you weren't one and doesn't mean that this CHILD felt the same way! You seem to think because you thought in the same way, then thus CHILD must have too.

As for lowering the age of consent to 14! Are you fucking kidding me?Because some filthy old perverts want to have sex with children, we should lower the age? You do realise that those creeps that get a kick out of having sex with a minor will then want to have sex with 13yr olds! At what point do we lay the blame at the feet of the pervert?

KIDDY FIDDlER! Way to minimise the abuse of a child.

I don't think it is impossible for a 15 year old to have sex with an adult and not be a victim. Some 15 year old may be mature enough for that.

It is however very clear in this case that THIS 15 year old was indeed a victim of abuse and that a serious offence was committed. She is innocent of any wrong doing.

What really worries my is the arbitrary cut off at 16. I don't think all or even the majority of 16 year olds would come through this experience with no problems. But they would have the additional burden of proving a lack of consent, where as a 15 years and 364 day old doesn't.

regarding the OP #childrenarenttempting

metro.co.uk/2016/03/02/groom-on-stag-do-dresses-as-adam-johnson-and-his-mates-go-as-schoolgirls-5683783/

Anyone seen these bunch of pricks?

THE MAN IS THE ADULT. HE IS RESPONSIBLE. HE IS THE ONE TO SAY NO!!!

Exactly. But also in this case, not even to just say no but to not bloody chase and groom her. He knew exactly how old she was but still accepted her FB friend request, asked for her phone number, exchanged hundreds of messages and set up a meeting with the intention of getting sexual favours from her.
It's not like she threw herself at him and he was powerless to resist (not that that would have been anywhere near appropriate anyway..)
He pursued her.

Er I used the word lolita as an example of the disgusting posts that seem to see this child as somehow responsible and predatory and the poor bloke couldn't help himself.

What is disgusting gooseberry are the fucking apologists for paedophiles on this thread. Although i think we agree on this you just missed the point of my post.

Rotherham all over again seeing teenage girls as predatory and consenting when they are deemed a child In the eyes of the law.

Remember this is not 2 15 year olds but a much older man.

He's a pig.

Despair of the victim blaming here.

Phalenopsisgirl just because you actively sought out sex as an underage teen does not mean that it's fair to apply your own thoughts and feelings to the girl who was abused by Johnson.

Girls actively looking for sex don't tell a man up front that they are under 16 and not old enough to go out. Feel free to describe yourself as predatory, but shut up with the suggestions that just because some 15 year olds are predatory and appear to be quite happy with the fact, that they all must be because it's really not true.

Johnson was given all the information he needed to know to keep his dick to himself, yet chose to ignore that information.

Hear hear Downstairs exactly.

regarding the OP #childrenarenttempting

What is this please?

Paedo In His Speedos was too much to resist, and seeing as The Sun have never normally have gone for this kind of offender, I'm going to let them off the incorrect use of terminology.

Let's hope they keep up the good work. Try to avoid the comments section...

Yes, too much victim blaming here; good posts hygge, well said.

Of course he deserves prison; I am also disgusted at Sunderland Football club which knew all about the seriousness of the allegations but was happy to keep paying for him to play.

Nasty, sordid and deeply sexist case all round; it's typical that many people are minimising what he has done

Really sad and shocked seeing some of the views on mumsnet today regarding this.

In response to a PP mentioning Bill Wyman and Mandy Smith - she divorced him many years later after suffering all sorts of problems with anorexia and other mental health difficulties. I would not hold up their relationship as a model for how well age-gap relationships can work, not at all. I would show it as an example of the harm that can be done when an older male pursues a sexual relationship with a very young teenager, even when she appears to be completely consenting and everything else looks to be 'above board'.

The power dynamics with adult men and teenage girls are so unequal as to make true consent impossible.

Yes Summer I meant the people who were using it in reference to this case (and similar) not you or anybody else reporting that use.

What is so frightening us the fact that some of those excusing the perverts are mothers! I think of the women on mumsnet who talk about being abused as teens and their mothers blaming them. Sadly this attitude to child abuse is not a thing of the past. No wonder perverts think they can get away with it when grown women are blaming children and making excuses for grown men.

God even that Guardian article is written in a way that sounds slightly sympathetic to this poor emotionally stunted multi millionaire child sex offender.

Horrified by some of the views on here that a fifteen year old must take some of the blame. The victim blaming here is horrible.