to thibk there's a lot of mansplaining going on at the moment?

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On mn I mean. Just something I seem to be spotting more and more.
happy to be told I'm wrong in words of one syllable

There's certainly a lot of casual and not so casual bigotry against men and it's largely culturally accepted.

As evidenced in men's lower pay, lack of representation in parliament, on company boards, in the press and media, on film ....

There's definitely a need some have to see men disenfranchised from having views on account that a woman's view should be automatically superior and man's view has no value.

I don't get the need people have to do that.

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I typed a reply out doing just that, including a detailed definition of 'condescending', then lost my nerve and deleted it.

My New years resolution was to be less condescending, you will probably know that as putting someone down...

"lower pay, lack of representation in parliament, on company boards, in the press and media, on film ...."

You don't see me excusing that, but you seek to excuse sexism against me.

A lot of "feminists" do this. For them it's not about equality, but about gaining supremacy and getting men back a bit for centuries of injustice. And they are indiscriminate, any man will do, whether that man has done anything wrong or not.

I'm glad I'm an egalitarian who treats people with respect and parity of esteem without considering the shape of their genitals.

Hang on, ill just ask DP what he thinks- then I'll report back.

Yeah, whatever.

A lot of "feminists" do this. For them it's not about equality, but about gaining supremacy

And with that comment I can only assume that you may have talked to a real live feminist, but you've not actually listened to one.

Complaining that some straw feminist may have, hypothetically, wanted a bit more than you are prepared to give does not make you an egalitarian.

It's all about equality dude.

You're wonderful, LordBrightside. If only we could all be as marvellous as you. Don't you realise that not seeing/thinking about/considering gender is a privilege most of us don't have?

Would it be ruining the party to say this thread has made me think warmly about all the many men I know who don't and wouldn't dream of mansplaining? Total bollocks (whoops) to say feminists accuse any poor man in the way of this. It really is. We're not stupid, just to reiterate (the main point of this thread).

Cisplaining for Worra

I think mansplaining is a gendered thing because I've had lots of experiences where a man is mansplaining to a woman or women but when a man comes along and joins the conversation, they talk to them like they're a normal human being and don't do the mansplaining thing. So I don't think it's a personality thing because they only feel they have superior knowledge to women. And I'm mostly talking about work situations where there is no reason for the man to assume the woman has inferior knowledge/understanding of the topic because we are all similarly qualified to do the same job.

Then a man arrived to tell all the women they were wrong and imagining it and it couldn't happen because, as a man (who, funnily enough, described himself as a classic case of 'nice guy') HE knew it wasn't real, therefore it wasn't.

I was quite proud of myself for not suggesting he go fuck himself getting caught up in his argument, given that he appeared to be proving my point without my input.

Superiority explaining is one thing, and very annoying, but mansplaining as a subset of it assumes (1) that women should automatically attend to a man's explanation and give it their full attention until he has officially ended the conversation and (2) that a man has a valuable and unique contribution to the discussion at hand simply because he has a penis, rather than eg a relevant PhD, first-hand experience, etc.

I think (1) is the more patriarchal though tbh: the assumption that what a man has to say must automatically take priority over anything any woman has to say.

On MN I've noticed that any post that begins "well I'm a man and I think" will derail the thread because until every single one of his points has been gratefully acknowledged he will keep bringing them up, however irrelevant or tangential.

If you need to tell us that you're a man, that ought to mean you're explaining what it feels like to own a penis (etc) otherwise it's very rarely going to be relevant. Saying you're a man before you expound upon road conditions, exam results, potty training or anything else is simply claiming privilege.

It is always rather special to a man arguing the point and actually proving the point simultaneously.

It's like the quantum physics of gender threads.

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No, you see quantum physics is really quite complicated...

My DP does this, though not sure it's mansplaining as he does it to everyone. My pet peeve is when I'm trying to figure out how something works, he takes it off me and then proudly explains how to do it.I've found that sarcasm works well. Or just refusing to listen to the solution and calling him on it. I feel better now...

It is always rather special to a man arguing the point and actually proving the point simultaneously.It's like the quantum physics of gender threads.

its great isn't it

It seems like mansplaining is now the name for any communication by an arrogant man.

Seems a bit odd that any opinion by a man on a "women's issue" is considered mansplaining. Can men really not have an opinion on sanitary towels? I mean, plenty of men had an opinion on the tampon tax.

Are women not allowed to have opinions on male cancer or vasectomies?Because everyone on mumsnet talks about vasectomies and constantly insists that DHs who refuse to get one are selfish crybabies.

If mumsnet can talk about vasectomies, why can't men talk about childbirth?

My dad's doing it now 😳

Depends how you define arrogant. A lot of men think it's being normal.

My dad was a classic.

It seems like mansplaining is now the name for any communication by an arrogant man.

Not necessarily.

It's both announcing they are a man, so implying they have a special opinion and should be heard.
And then explaining something that the women have already mentioned or have been discussing anyway, or, worse, it pertains to women.

E.g. I'm a man and I can assure you that X pain is worse than child birth.

brightside you don't think objectification of women exists, if you recall, so you're clearly not an unbiased view on the battle of the sexes. You're a perfect example of a mansplainer.

If mumsnet can talk about vasectomies, why can't men talk about childbirth?

Why is this so hard for people to wrap their heads around? Because men have traditionally controlled women - by social pressure AND physical force - on issues like these in the past, and some still attempt to do so today. If, traditionally, you are the dominant force in a discussion or decision, you should certainly not be allowed to tell a woman their viewpoint is irrelevant, made up, overreacting, feminist bullshit, etc etc. When the power has been in your hands, you should bend.

Imagine this is a white person telling a black person racism doesn't exist, is made up, isn't that bad - there would be outrage. But it's ok for any swinging dick to walk in and tell us we're all wrong or don't know better.

It's not that they have an opinion, that's grand it's that their opinion is automatically right because they -a MAN says it is. Even if he has no specialist knowledge in the area, and women who do have that knowledge have said differently.

I've seen a fair bit of "I've just read this thread out to my DH, and he says/thinks/advises." on MN.
That's irksome. Who does that? Give us your opinion, if your DH wants to chip in, tell him to sign up and do it himself.