to thibk there's a lot of mansplaining going on at the moment?

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On mn I mean. Just something I seem to be spotting more and more.
happy to be told I'm wrong in words of one syllable

How does it make those statements less of a pile of sexist crap?

Because they're factually incorrect possibly?

Ask PanGalactic, he seems to know

at asking.

S'true. Male brains have all the clever and the sense of direction, and women brains have things to do with babies, cupcakes, and how to clean the gunk out of the back of the fridge. It's to do with how we evolved from hunter-gatherers, you know.

Exactly. They're factually incorrect.

But adding 'IME' and the 'disclaimer', makes it ok to stereotype?

I love how so many people who say "reverse racism" or "racism against whites doesn't exist" get all frothy at the mention of shitty things some men do to women, and how it's feminist bollocks and doesn't need a gender-specific term. Surely if black people can't be racist to white people then women can't be observant "sexist" to men? Since we are the oppressed gender?

Well the op was a question based on my observations on mn.
not a general stereotype.

But we have no idea who is male or female on the internet, that's why this thread comes across to me as just trotting out lazy, sexist stereotyping.

worra, it doesn't really matter, but did you read my posts? Or were you too, um, 'lazy', as you put it?

If it were just stereotyping, you'd expect the research to confirm there aren't meaningful gender differences. It doesn't.

Lots of times. The most recent one was when I described myself as a slut, meaning untidy person, in a conversation about tidiness. A man earnestly told me I shouldn't use the word because it wasn't feminist.

He thought it only meant promiscuous btw. Not that that matters. If I want to call myself promiscuous I bloody well will do.

That's interesting Worra. But the thread has actually included dozens of women saying they've experienced this in real life from people they know to be men standing right in front of them.

There is a load of crap generalisation going on on this thread.

No Jeanne to be honest, I find it irritating when people break up conversations with loads of links and expect people to go away and read them all, when they're trying to have a conversation.

Asking there are also dozens of women saying that this is not gender specific.

Anyway, I'm out of this thread now because it just appears to me, to be an outlet for some to unleash sexist sarcasm, so I'll leave them to it.

When it happens on MN, the poster generally announces he is a man.

Something I've noticed a lot recently on the Relationships board is this weird crusade some posters seem to have to insist that every scenario posted must be dealt with exactly the same if it were a man or a woman. To the point where ridiculous and blatant trolls are defended with 'omg if it was a woman posting this then you wouldn't say that!!!!'.

Man with an opinion : mansplaining
Woman with an opinion : woman with a opinion.

Ah, I see, worra. So you mean, you are allowed to tell the OP she's being 'lazy' because she's 'stereotyping', but when someone proves you're wrong, it would be utterly unreasonable to expect you not to be too lazy to read their evidence?

I see.

Sounds awfully like the response of someone who knows they've got nothing to say except insults to the OP, doesn't it?

Mrs bb I'm guilty of that in fact I did that yesterday

Twatmagnet it already is.

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Citations:cissplaining

geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Splaining

makemeasammich.org/tag/cissplaining/

Mind you, my MA supervisor (now just retired), a well-known feminist critic, once told me that when she was a junior lecturer, 'the girls' were told to provide the sandwiches for the external examiners' meeting....

Cotton it's now 2016 and this has just happened to me. Slightly different field.

A qualification depended on it so I gritted my teeth and sorted out the sandwiches (and coffee and cake) along with the other girl woman and we burned an effigy moaned about them in the pub later.

I think I do this to my DH (well he thinks I do!). Womansplaining I guess. Although it's not because I'm a woman it's based on my current areas of expertise which unfortunately lie in the 'traditional' work of children rearing and homemaking. He gets really pissy when I explain to him how the non stick pan works or how to avoid leakage on baby nappies. But the truth from my perspective is that although he knows this stuff when he thinks about it, experience tells me that he will absentmindedly use a sharp knife to (scrape the crap out of) remove something on the pan or will accidentally leave the babies nappy half up her crack when changing her leading to a poo down leg incident later for me to clean up. So my Womansplaining is just me trying to be polite and save myself extra hassle and crossness later when I should just be direct and say 'you scraped my pan last time be more careful'. But he works so hard and is so exhausted I never want to make him feel bad. That us the root of my Womansplaining. I wonder if some mansplaining happens for the same reason. And is more about being on the inside or outside of a topic rather than being male or female.

That's right Soup, men have it so hard, poor things.

I agree that academia is one of the heartlands of the mansplaining phenomenon. I'm part of the advisory committee to an annual conference and a few years ago we had to come down really hard on this, particularly in the 'discussion' sections after papers by female academics have been delivered.

It means the Chair / Discussant has to be really on the ball. No-one wants to hear a man in the audience, no matter how eminent, pontificate on what he thinks of the person's choice of the subject under discussion. What's wanted are questions that allow the person to expand on and defend their argument.

And yes, it does through observation look gendered.

I do notice it here on MN as well, much more than I did a couple of years ago.

Yeah, stop bringing in evidence and shit like that, Jeanne. Jeez, can't a person just air a completely unfounded opinion based on absolutely nothing without being called out on it?

Gender plays no role in society any more. That's why rape happens equally to men and women, why they earn the same for the same work, why equal numbers of men and women die from DV each year, and why we have such equal representation at the higher levels of the judiciary and politics, and why there's no such thing as men claiming an unearned and privileged access to positions of intellectual and institutional authority from which to speak.

Jeanne, posting a shit ton of research on a thread where people are chatting, then basically patting them on the head and telling them to go away and read it, is no different to mansplaining really is it?

So if you happen to be female, you've proved that it's not gender specific.

But carry on with your sarcasm, as it's a tad more entertaining than expecting people to leave a thread and plough through a ton of research.

My BIL mansplained childbirth to me. Neither of us had done it but he'd seen my sister do it.

Oh. I thought mansplaining meant having to explain things to men in words of one syllable! I mean, I knew it was offensive but I had it the wrong way around.

Maybe it's something that comes from both sexes around things which are stereotypically associated with that sex - so a woman might 'mansplain' to a man over things to do with parenting or the home and a man might 'mansplain' to a woman over things associated with business or technology.

Really wrong either way as it serves to validate the stereotypes but I don't think you can pin it down to one sex doing it only.