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At the pool - other adult behavior

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CousCousDefinitely · 06/02/2016 21:00

I was at our local leisure centre today. It's a private hotel one, if it makes a difference, so it's users would be a combination of members, hotel guests and you can also pay for a day pass. I'm a member.
It was busy as it is normally on a Saturday afternoon. There were two guys I hadn't seen before in the lanes section (where you can do serious swimming, up one side and down the other). I wanted to do 50 or so lengths but it was tricky as it was me and them in the section and they were doing handstands, diving in (under the no diving sign) and generally getting in the way. I get this with children sometimes but not usually adults in their 30s or 40s.
Im laid back so I just sort of went around them as best I could. They were swimming under me and making me nervous. So after about 20 lengths I gave up.
I went into the steamroom and they arrived in about 10 minutes after and stared at me up and down in a pervy uncomfortable way.
So they it clicked that the pool annoyance was probably on purpose.
I left and was pissed off that it made me felt so uncomfortable.
I was pissed off that I couldn't do anything to stop them staring, that they'd intrrupted my swim and that I couldnt complain to the lifeguard while I was there as it would have been awkward, or as I was leaving as I didn't want to appear racist. The two guys were speaking Arabic to each other which is pretty uncommon in my town.
My dh went to the pool after I got home, for his turn at a bit of child free peace and I described them to him. He came back and said they were in the hot tub (this was 2 hours after me) so they'd probably got a day pass and stayed to piss off more people.
Was I unreasonable to just leave and say nothing and if so, what should I have done or said? Either to them or to the lifeguard. I feel like such a chicken.

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zzzzz · 09/02/2016 19:00

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cleaty · 09/02/2016 19:00

There are Catholics who don't think you should talk about the abuse. But they are ignored. We should always be able to talk about children being abused, and who is abusing them.

AMouseLivedinaWindMill · 09/02/2016 19:01

Have no time for it now, had enough of the sexism, men keeping women under their control, hidding their peadophile priests and horrors such as the launderies in Ireland. I imagine if i had grown up muslim, then i'd feel exactly the same against Islam

yes the but the BIG difference is, unless your in some part of Ireland, you can freely leave the church or dip in and out as you please, your family probably wont notice let alone, care, you wont be ostracized, bring shame to your family, given death threats or fear being killed.

You can freely leave catholism, you cant freely leave islam.

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MistressMia · 09/02/2016 19:15

Can you not see that if the West says "we don't like the way you treat women" and then happily carries on trading with Saudi Arabia then they are going to assume that what we are saying is just a load of hot air and that actually the powers that be don't give a stuff about Saudi women

And can you not see that they don't give a flying fuck what we Infidels think ? If anything they'll punish us for offending them and Islam. Remember Death of a Princess ?

They have no compunction at pronouncing death sentences on our citizens when they write or do something that offends them.

And why don't the Saudi's and other Islamic regimes have agency in themselves to not act like despotic, women hating tyrants ?

And we're not just talking about Saudi.

Name me one Islamic country where women and minorities have full and equal rights, where there is freedom to proselytise other religions, where you can leave Islam without any repercussions either from the state or society, where women can lawfully marry non-muslim men, where women can have free and open sexual relationships prior to marriage, where there are no honour killings, where men don't take additional wives, where women can walk around in whatever clothes they wish including short skirts or shorts, etc etc etc ??

AMouseLivedinaWindMill · 09/02/2016 19:25

I agree I cant believe Saudi gives a stuff what we think about them.

Mistress Mia, as ever incredible posts. Once again Flowers thank you.

MistressMia · 09/02/2016 20:05

I don't think any of them are on the run

Sadly this is not true. There are many ex-muslims on the run in hiding or living a double life. In fear of physical retribution or have been ostracised.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3325273/CCTV-catches-terrifying-moment-father-six-brutally-set-hooded-thugs-pickaxe-handle-targeted-blasphemer-converted-Islam-Christianity.html

exmuslimgirl.wordpress.com/2016/01/03/trapped/

www.spectator.co.uk/2015/02/how-liberal-britain-is-betraying-ex-muslims/

MistressMia · 09/02/2016 20:06

This is from Anniesa Hussain, from the link above who's family who converted to Christianity:

It hurts my heart to sit here and write about the hellish experience these past 15 years have been for my family. Those of you who read my very first blog post ‘Abnormal Normality’ ( infidelsareus.com/2014/08/01/an-abnormal-normality-2/ ) will know that I gave a brief insight into growing up as an apostate in Bradford. That abnormal normality continues to present day and it can be absolutely exhausting. I can’t fully express it in writing nor in conversation as you soon become numb to it, or ‘battle hardened’ as Dad terms it.

From the time I was 6 years of age, my siblings and I endured daily verbal abuse, physical altercations, car and house window smashing. School playground hostility and school-mate deprivation. Death threats. Mob rule. Initial prevention of riding our bicycles in the neighbour common ground to then prevention of us playing on the street directly outside our property. I watched my father’s effort in erecting a 6ft fence in his backyard to protect his children become effectively decimated. I can’t ever imagine his pain, his helplessness when his fence still never stopped the glass bottles and bricks being hurled at his children as they played in their own back garden. For example.

Our youngest sister was born in 2001 but the memory of her birth was overridden by an incident that has always stuck in my mind. Dad’s car had been written off yet again and had to use a friend’s car to take my older brother to Boys Brigade at a local church. He stayed with my brother, leaving me (7), sisters 5, 3 and a baby with my mother. As soon as my dad pulled away from our street the tirade of abuse and intimidation began. They had our home under siege, circling in their cars, trashing the front of our property with debris and swearing at Mum, who, unable to dial for the police on the phone held a baby in one arm whilst holding a phone in the other; panic-stricken and paralysed for those 3 whole hours. All of us were petrified, our eyes fixated on the men standing below the bedroom window.

Dad returned with my brother a few hours later, witnessing our tormentors speeding off and took in our frozen expressions. As my Dad called up to my Mum to ask her what had been happening, one of the ringleaders who lived 3 doors down from us, shot out of his car to make his way home. I don’t know what came over my father but he finally snapped. Years of having to endure pure, animalistic behaviour, years of police ignorance, fear and refusal to help one Christian convert family in the face of a bigger Muslim community had taken its toll on him. Over the years these anti-Christian men had witnessed police inaction and openly took advantage of their self-proclaimed domination and subjugation of us. Over the years they’d grown to be audacious and invincible.

Dad finally snapped. I remember looking at a man who had tried so desperately to abide by his Christian principles of forgiveness and mercy be overruled by the need to protect his four daughters. He lunged at this ringleader, laying into him time and time again until it took my brother’s plea of ‘Daddy, Daddy please, stop, you’re going to kill him’ to bring him back to his senses. As he picked himself off the ground and led my brother back to the house, the ringleader pulled out his phone. Minutes later 6 cars screeched to a halt outside our home, packed with Pakistani Muslim men from the local and surrounding communities.

Utter carnage followed. What must have been at least 30 men advanced towards our front door, armed with knives, wheel braces, chains and other weaponry I couldn’t identify as a 7 year old. They were seething and bloodthirsty. An infidel had humiliated a fellow Muslim brother and for that his whole family would pay. I distinctly remember Dad running into the kitchen searching for a suitable, sturdy knife. His words of ‘I’m going to die tonight, but I’m going to take as many of them with me’ echoes in my head today. What man would allow a stampede into his own home, into a living room containing 5 young children, 1 of which was newly born?

I shoved my younger sisters into the back kitchen and shut the door. Peering through the crack I saw my mother wrestling the knife out of my father’s hand, having already called the police. They were outside by now, two police cars and 1 riot van but due to the hoardes of people surrounding them, they were unable to get out. The mob had immobilised the officers. When they finally emerged and dispersed the crowd, due to numerous ‘independent witness statements’ alleging Dad as the perpetrators; they came and arrested him and it was the first time we’d witnessed our father handcuffed and taken into police custody. I couldn’t understand why the police had only arrested one ringleader and his sister especially given the context of the weaponry and the obvious intent to storm into our home. Being too young to understand that Dad would eventually be returned to us, we couldn’t be comforted and I was convinced I wouldn’t see him again. I felt a change in my siblings, we became officially traumatised. I can’t speak for my siblings but that day in January 2003 was when I lost belief in the concept of justice.

As children we were incapable of functioning normally and were all assigned personal care by Bradford social services for the next few years until it came to an end. It takes a Pakistani, an ex-Muslim to understand the mentality behind our persecution and the sympathetic faces and words of the family service unit could never penetrate into the heart of the problem.

Our family vehicle became accustomed to regular drive-by brickings, but not content with smashing the car, they torched it one night. The ringleader responsible for this walked up to Dad in October 2003 to spit into his face ‘you’ve seen what we’ve done to your car, now we’re gonna burn you out of your house’. True to form we were effectively burned out of our house a few weeks later. The property directly adjacent to us had been vacant for years and the lower window was broken into before the house was set alight, in the hope the flames would spread to our property. My brother smelt the smoke first, alerting my dad who ran out to the front of our home. Next door’s windows had smoke bellowing out, with the glass cracking under the pressure of the heat. He realised that the fire was intended for us when he saw our persecutors gathered together on the street, waving at him and jeering, clinking their glasses and celebrating.

The fire brigade came within two minutes of being called but not before our whole house was smothered in thick, pungent smoke that stifled our senses. We couldn’t see nor breathe and I remember locating all of my siblings as we collapsed on the ground, sobbing and choking. It is hard to take myself back to that spot on the living room floor, with our arms outstretched to the nearest sibling holding on for dear life, while we buried our faces into our laps. I remember thanking God my mother and baby sister had been away at a women’s conference for I was sure my then 13 month year old sister could well have been killed. We were forced to flee to the nearest vicarage for a week’s worth of safety and sanity, sat in a strange location with the only familiarity being that of the family photo albums my mother refused to leave without.

We were permanently forced out of our home in 2006 and enjoyed a 2 year break from daily persecution, getting on famously with the Pakistani Muslims in our new community, as they assumed us to be Muslims also. For obvious reasons we never corrected those assumptions. However we were thrown back into the net of anti-Christian venom in the aftermath of the 2008 Dispatches Documentary my family partook in entitled ‘Unholy War’, ( www.bing.com/videos/search?q=unholy+war+dispatches&FORM=VIRE6#view=detail&mid=5294C275B2A23C9E534B5294C275B2A23C9E534B ) where it became publicly known we were a convert Christian family.

I will be posting an account of continued and increased persecution of my family from 2008-current day in my subsequent blogs
infidelsareus.com/2015/09/23/sustained-persecution-of-hussain-family-2000-2006/

januarybrown1998 · 09/02/2016 20:23

know many Catholics and many Muslims and quite a few C of Es (though I find it harder to tell as so many don't attend church anyway) who just don't participate any more. I don't think any of them are on the run. Perhaps what you are describing is regional rather than religious

No, it's definitely religious.

Catholics lapse and might not be invited to drinks, CofE wrestle politely and privately and you'd never know but you're sadly, sadly wrong about Muslims who leave the faith.

I am not at liberty to share the stories of those who leave, even though they live in other countries, but don't believe that anyone shakes a Muslim's hand and wishes him well with his religious soul-search.

Woodhill · 09/02/2016 20:32

Thanks Mistress Mia - that story says it all and I think it is absolutely disgusting. So much for a religion of peace.

Why can't they live and let live?

CatchAPlaneToBarcelona · 09/02/2016 20:41

I'm not sure what the issue is with being "called racist" for making judgements based on race confused. Fundamentally if you think judgements made on race are ok and make them then you ARE racist and think it's ok

But this isn't and never has been about race. It's about religion intertwined with culture. But that doesn't stop people shouting 'Racist' to close down the argument.

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HelenaDove · 09/02/2016 21:24

"The Catholic church tells women what is good for them"

Really Solomon. By putting them through forced birth. They even did this to Salvita H and it ended in her death. She wasnt even Catholic.

Why doesnt the Catholic church tell men what is good for them?

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TheNewStatesman · 09/02/2016 23:19

Fucking hell, MistressMia.

Unbelievable post.

I don't even know what to say.

HelenaDove · 09/02/2016 23:23

Seconded. A very harrowing read MistressMia.

solomon2003 · 10/02/2016 12:37

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Really Solomon. By putting them through forced birth. They even did this to Salvita H and it ended in her death. She wasnt even Catholic.

Why doesnt the Catholic church tell men what is good for them?
It does tell men what's good for them.
The Salvita H story was manipulated to bash the church.

cleaty · 10/02/2016 13:41

The Catholic Church deserves to be bashed. It is a disgrace.

DeoGratias · 10/02/2016 13:44

There are about 9 countries on the planet where by law you can be killed by the state if you give up your religion - they are all Islamic or supposedly islamic. That does not mean in the 1500s Christians were not as bad of course - we were as bad as Sunni v Shia in the bit of English history my teenagers are currently studying - Catholic v Protestant, priest holes, burnings, beheadings - we have it all there in our history, man's inhumanity to man something we all have to guard against always whether atheist or religious. However today it is more Islam than it is Christianity who do this

DeoGratias · 10/02/2016 13:46

(In fact yeserday for the first time for 450 years a Roman Catholic service was held at now Protestant Hampton Court

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/09/hampton-courts-chapel-royal-stages-first-catholic-service-for-450-years )

BillSykesDog · 10/02/2016 14:38

The ghost of Henry VIII is not pressing like on that story!

Anyway, spectacular deliberate derailment Solomon.

cleaty · 10/02/2016 14:40

Yes apostates from Islam can have a terrible time.

CatchAPlaneToBarcelona · 10/02/2016 14:57

What you say is absolutely true Deo

But it was several hundred years ago. What's the excuse in the Islamic world now?

laceysue · 10/02/2016 14:58

The Catholic Church deserves to be bashed. It is a disgrace.
Yes you're probably right but it's not in the same league as Islam is it.

HelenaDove · 10/02/2016 18:04

I really hope Salvitas husband doesnt see that comment of yours Solomon.

Its a disgusting thing to say.