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Should my partner allow child's father into house for access?

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Domitianus · 02/02/2016 14:27

Hello all.

I hope you don't mind a father joining your site to get a female perspective on a thorny issue.

My partner of 6 years had an affair at a difficult and stressful point in our relationship and became pregnant by him. She was devastated and was planning a termination but I found out before she went through with it, forgave her and assured her that I would support her in raising the child as if my own as we had always wanted a child. She accepted this offer but sank nonetheless into a deep and near suicidal depression due to her involvement with this man that I had to nurse her through at considerable cost to myself.

My partner had broken off contact with this man (who lives with his own partner who is still completely oblivious to what has happened) and when she told him she was experiencing a breakdown his response was "You never told me you were a loon!"

After my partner's mood stabilised she decided she had to tell this man about the pregnancy simply because he had a right to know. I and at least one of her male friends were unsure about the wisdom of this (due to us seeing with hindsight that the man appeared to be ruthlessly predatory and dishonest) but we agreed to her decision.

From that point on this man has been relentless in pursuing my partner once again and in harassing me and attempting to undermine our relationship. He has repeatedly emailed and called my partner to insist that she resume their relationship and that he move into our home to raise the child together. He has sent me abusive and inflammatory emails and then denied to my partner that his behaviour was at all confrontational. His behaviour became so troublesome that I had to warn him that we would take legal action. He ignored this warning and we had to have the police serve a harassment warning on him that kept him quiet for a while. Then he started up again and the police took him in and cautioned him.

The baby was born 8 months ago and my partner and I have been raising her in a loving and stable environment. We have offered the biological father repeated opportunities to have a relationship with her. We originally did this in a face to face meeting before the police involvement in which we told him we would be happy to facilitate a relationship between him and the child and would place no unreasonable barriers in the way - we merely wanted him to respect our relationship and our boundaries. He agreed to that at the time and said the meeting had been productive.

Since the baby was born we emailed him and said that if he wanted to discuss access we would be happy to receive a solicitor's letter from him to start the ball rolling. A solicitor wrote to us on his behalf (clearly unaware of the actual history of affairs) and said her client wanted my partner to reply directly to him. The letter was full of unreasonable demands. We wrote back to the solicitor, set out the full fa ts of the case and said we were happy to commence access discussions but that his other demands were unreasonable at this time. We heard no more from the solicitor but he subsequently claimed he could not continue to pay for a solicitor out of his joint bank account without his partner finding out. This is despite the fact that he had previously told my partner he had lots of money saved to buy land for a house.

We have offered to engage in mediation twice and on both occasions he has backed out at the very last minute with utterly implausible reasons (one of his reasons we found out was a barefaced lie).

His goal seems to have been to skirt around the issues until my partner engaged with him directly without anyone else being involved in the communication. He has achieved this and is back to the relentless pressure on my partner that caused him to be cautioned by the police in the first place.

To show that I was willing to be reasonable and go the extra mile I even drove my partner and baby to a meeting with this man and left them to talk for an hour or so before retuning to pick them up. My partner was very pleased as the man had told her he was happy just to have occasional access when convenient and was looking for nothing more. I had my doubts as to how long he would keep to that position and indeed within about three days he was emailing my partner again saying he would accept nothing less than me out of the way and them living together in her house! It seems to me that this man is simply engaging in a controlling pattern of lifting her expectations and then dashing them again within days to break her down and destablisise her.

He can't see the baby at his home as his partner doesn't know about the affair but we have offered him access elsewhere. A friend who lives just down the road made her home available so he could meet my partner and the baby there and that seemed to go well. That venue is still available for access visits. Now, however, he is back to saying that he is unwilling to continue to see the child unless it is in our home, under our roof. I find this utterly unacceptable.

We have set out months ago, and this was made clear by the police and in the letter that we sent to his solicitor that our home is an absolute no-go area for him - yet he is now attempting to emotionally blackmail my partner into allowing him into the home he desecrated with his affair by giving my partner ultimatums that if she doesn't let him have access here he will walk away from the child. He knows how important it is to my partner for the child to know her biological father and he seems to be manipulating this desire mercilessly.

Setting aside any issues of pride or male ego, the very thought of this man coming into our home for any reason or any length of time fills me with utter dread. He has shown no respect for any boundary we, or the police, have set. He seems relentlessly focused on destroying our relationship in order to usurp me and move into my partner's home and he shows no concern whatsoever for anyone else's views on this. I work as a therapist so have some knowledge of personality disorder and I see in this man clear and persistent signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder which is bad, bad news. He is utterly devious, manipulative, dishonest and boundaries are simply things to be ignored for him. My partner understands my concerns about personality disorder but thinks he is more likely on the autistic spectrum and struggling with all this. Her father is on the spectrum and wasn't diagnosed until his sixties so she has seen the struggles that those on the autistic spectrum can face and she doesn't want to penalise this guy of he is on the spectrum. I don't for one moment think he is and he was a lance-corporal in the Parachute regiment (and is a Falklands vet) so I can't really imagine he is too debilitated by any autistic condition.

My concern is that if he gains access to our home under this emotional duress it will simply be the start of a new cycle of Hell for us. We will have made it clear to him that no boundary we set has any meaning whatsoever and that he can break it down through pester power and emotional blackmail. He will simply use access to disrupt our home and push further and further into our lives with his clear agenda of forcing me out and moving in with my partner.

He claims to be devastated at not being able to see his child and that there is nothing more he wants in the world. Yet we have bent over backwards since the baby was born to arrange access and all he has done is dick about and manipulate. It was almost six months until he arranged to see her at all and he has seen her by arrangement a tool of three times in 8 months despite being offered easy access within basic boundaries. He hasn't contributed a single penny in maintenance (he should have paid over £1000 by now) and all he has given is a couple of new small toy gifts and some second-hand toys from the Barnardos shop he volunteers in. This is despite the fact that he receives £750 in pensions a month and was working in a job until a couple of months ago when he chose to leave it because he didn't like his boss.

In the meantime I am doing the feeds, the baths, the nappy changes, the driving of my partner and her baby to necessary appointments, the playing with the baby, helping with the housework etc, all at great cost of time and energy which I should really be devoting to rebuilding my work which has suffered hugely.

There is not a day goes by when I don't feel under siege from this man who I feel is like Voldermort lurking outside Hogwarts trying to charm his way in. I lose sleep, worry endlessly and am probably depressed, yet I keep going. My partner owns our house so at the end of the day she can invite into it whoever she wants and my partner is so keen for him to have a relationship with the child (which I see as him using as nothing but a pawn to manipulate my partner) that I fear she will do anything to appease his demands. To me, him coming into the house, however, is just a make-or-break boundary that is unacceptable. Everything he wants in terms of access can be achieved without that if he is really interested.

I have spoken with a number of male friends about this (including one who is estranged from his own daughter and says this man is being offered everything he dreams of having) and they are unanimous that this man must not be allowed into our home under any circumstances. I realise, however, that they are all male and friends of mine so perhaps their judgment is not universal. I welcome a female perspective.

My position is simple:

  1. If my partner wants to explore further this man having a relationship with the baby, I think she is unwise but I will not stand in her way and will facilitate anything productive as I have already bent over to do.
  2. Despite that there have to be some absolute boundaries for us, our home and our relationship to be safe and respected and the most important thing is that the man does not set foot over our threshold.

Is my position unreasonable?

OP posts:
scotchfreeescapegoat · 03/02/2016 13:15

OP, 14 years ago my partner (then fiance) had a brief affair with a work collegue which resulted in a child.

My partner and I married and we found out about the baby (and i found out about the affair) very shortly after our wedding.

We stuck it out but those first 3-5 years were honestly the hardest of my life and if you dont have any children together i am not sure i would honestly recommend that you stay.

My partner was desperate to be a part of the baby's life and the mother did her level best to cut him out unless he left me and moved in with her to play happy families. Cue many years of legal and emotional wrangling.

I wanted to support my husband seeing the baby but at the same time i needed certain ground rules in place to preserve my sanity and my healing process. 1. was that the mother was at no time ever to set foot in our house. It was our house, our domain and she just was not welcome. 2. was that i was a party to all communication which took part between them. Written communication/email was generally easier in this regard. To an extent this relied on trust because it would have been perfectly possible for my H and the mother to communicate outside of my involvement. It did happen on occasion but H generally let me know about it. In essence we had to operate as a united front with respect to the mother.

You have to realize that you do have power here. If your partner wants to be in a relationship with you then she has to accept the terms that you will continue to participate on.

I dont know why but a lot of people in this situation seem to think that they can continue to interact with their affair partner "for the sake of the baby" but the reality is that they cant. Not and continue to stay in a relationship with their betrayed partner. The continued contact is both extremely upsetting and hurtful to the betrayed partner and also puts the offending spouse back onto the path of continuing the affair.

I get the impression from your post that you are not married. If you are, being the betrayed husband in this situation you have an option that is not open to women who find their husbands have extra marital children. Because the child was born into your marriage, legally you are the presumed father. Unless your wife has named the affair partner on the birth certificate (and i think he has to consent to that) then it would be quite difficult legally for him to over turn that and get himself recognised as the biological father.

It may be that, if your wife agrees, you can write this man out of yours and the child's life at least for a time while you and your relationship heal.

There are risks to this however because by leaving the paternity in your name, you will assume the child support responsibilities in the event that you and your wife divorce. If that were to occur you could petition for a paternity test however there is no guarantee that the court would consider the results if it does not believe it is in the best interests of the child.

Finally i see from your post that the biological father's partner does not know about the baby and any contact between the man and the baby is being hidden. Think about how that will work in a few years time. How is that baby, now a 5 year old, going to rationalise the fact that their daddy cant openly acknowledge them. They are a dirty little secret.

If contact is to work it has to be in the childs bests interests and at this time, in this situation i cant see that it is.

If it was me, and i admit that i am a cynical bitch i would let the other betrayed partner know about the baby. She has the right to know her life is built on lies and misinformation. She has the right to make her choice the same way you have. Maintaining the secrecy makes you a participant in the deception.

BillSykesDog · 03/02/2016 13:18

Marriage would not have given him PR, it would have made him her stepfather and they don't have automatic PR.

scotchfreeescapegoat · 03/02/2016 13:27

BillSykesDog, it may be that my information is out of date. I was last looking at this in any detail 13 years ago but it is my understanding that if the child was born into a MARRIAGE, the husband is presume the father and has automatic PR. I understand it can be difficult to set this aside even in cases of paternity fraud.

whatevva · 03/02/2016 13:31

It would have if the child was born during a marriage, unless he wanted otherwise. Not if you are married after the birth though.

Katenka · 03/02/2016 14:37

The baby is definitely this man's child - no doubt about that.

so you didn't have sex anywhere near the conception date?

Weeks either side?

Honestly though you maybe a therapist (no idea what kind) but you are too close to this situation to start diagnosing personality disorders.

You are a victim in this. Your dp and her OMs, victim.

gooseberryroolz · 03/02/2016 14:55

I wonder whether OP and OM are of races.

gooseberryroolz · 03/02/2016 14:56

different races.

AcrossthePond55 · 03/02/2016 14:56

OP, after reading some posts on this thread, do you think at all that you may be her 'back up plan'?

If MrX really wanted them to form a family he would have left his partner and gotten his own place to prove to her that he's serious about becoming a family. Instead he's just mouthing things that keep her dangling. And in turn she's keeping you dangling.

It's a bit 'dog in the manger'. He wants you gone but also doesn't really want to give up his current partner. The fact that he doesn't want his current partner to know speaks volumes. To me that means he wants your DP back as his mistress, not as his wife. That's why instead of telling her "I have told 'MsY' the truth and have have left her and am living in a flat. Tell Dom to go and we'll start our new life together", he's just bleating that he wants you to go so he can move in. Chances are if you did go, he'd stay right where he is.

And so, you're the 'back up plan'. If she can't have him, she'll settle for you. I'm sorry to sound harsh. But all her running around trying to facilitate him seems to speak of someone who is still emotionally involved. Bending over backwards for contact? Consenting (wanting?) to be 'alone' with him during that contact? Refusing to stand her ground for what's best for both of you?

I think you need to start working on independence for yourself and not depending on her.

AcrossthePond55 · 03/02/2016 15:01

Regarding paternity and children born during a marriage: The Lord Mansfield Rule provides that any child born during a valid marriage is presumed to be, and legally considered to be, the child of the husband. The presumption is rebuttable by evidence to the contrary (i.e. husband in prison or had no contact with wife during the period of conception, husband medically sterile, and DNA tests).

BillSykesDog · 03/02/2016 15:07

These two aren't married though, never have been. So he does not have PR.

If a bio father subsequently married the mother he gets PR automatically. But any non-bio parent (step-parent) does not. So there wouldn't be anything to set aside, as the act of marriage does not confer PR.

whatevva · 03/02/2016 15:14

They could have got married before the birth, or she could have given him pr instead, but she didn't do either. She has left the door open for the biological father to assert his rights, whilst OP has none.

ClarenceTheLion · 03/02/2016 15:18

They could have got married before the birth, or she could have given him pr instead, but she didn't do either. She has left the door open for the biological father to assert his rights, whilst OP has none.

To be fair, I'm sure most people don't know about the born during a marriage thing. And could he be given parental rights given that their is a biological father paying lip service to to the idea of being her father?

lalalonglegs · 03/02/2016 18:31

I think most people do know about the born-during-a-marriage thing and it speaks volume that the baby's mother has done nothing to shore up the OP's position.

From what I can tell, if the OP's partner wanted to be a family with the OP, the solution is fairly straightforward: they can move away and her ex-lover is unlikely to pursue them. Or they can threaten to tell his partner about the affair and the child unless he leaves them alone. Not very nice but better than having this mess to deal with.

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