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Should my partner allow child's father into house for access?

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Domitianus · 02/02/2016 14:27

Hello all.

I hope you don't mind a father joining your site to get a female perspective on a thorny issue.

My partner of 6 years had an affair at a difficult and stressful point in our relationship and became pregnant by him. She was devastated and was planning a termination but I found out before she went through with it, forgave her and assured her that I would support her in raising the child as if my own as we had always wanted a child. She accepted this offer but sank nonetheless into a deep and near suicidal depression due to her involvement with this man that I had to nurse her through at considerable cost to myself.

My partner had broken off contact with this man (who lives with his own partner who is still completely oblivious to what has happened) and when she told him she was experiencing a breakdown his response was "You never told me you were a loon!"

After my partner's mood stabilised she decided she had to tell this man about the pregnancy simply because he had a right to know. I and at least one of her male friends were unsure about the wisdom of this (due to us seeing with hindsight that the man appeared to be ruthlessly predatory and dishonest) but we agreed to her decision.

From that point on this man has been relentless in pursuing my partner once again and in harassing me and attempting to undermine our relationship. He has repeatedly emailed and called my partner to insist that she resume their relationship and that he move into our home to raise the child together. He has sent me abusive and inflammatory emails and then denied to my partner that his behaviour was at all confrontational. His behaviour became so troublesome that I had to warn him that we would take legal action. He ignored this warning and we had to have the police serve a harassment warning on him that kept him quiet for a while. Then he started up again and the police took him in and cautioned him.

The baby was born 8 months ago and my partner and I have been raising her in a loving and stable environment. We have offered the biological father repeated opportunities to have a relationship with her. We originally did this in a face to face meeting before the police involvement in which we told him we would be happy to facilitate a relationship between him and the child and would place no unreasonable barriers in the way - we merely wanted him to respect our relationship and our boundaries. He agreed to that at the time and said the meeting had been productive.

Since the baby was born we emailed him and said that if he wanted to discuss access we would be happy to receive a solicitor's letter from him to start the ball rolling. A solicitor wrote to us on his behalf (clearly unaware of the actual history of affairs) and said her client wanted my partner to reply directly to him. The letter was full of unreasonable demands. We wrote back to the solicitor, set out the full fa ts of the case and said we were happy to commence access discussions but that his other demands were unreasonable at this time. We heard no more from the solicitor but he subsequently claimed he could not continue to pay for a solicitor out of his joint bank account without his partner finding out. This is despite the fact that he had previously told my partner he had lots of money saved to buy land for a house.

We have offered to engage in mediation twice and on both occasions he has backed out at the very last minute with utterly implausible reasons (one of his reasons we found out was a barefaced lie).

His goal seems to have been to skirt around the issues until my partner engaged with him directly without anyone else being involved in the communication. He has achieved this and is back to the relentless pressure on my partner that caused him to be cautioned by the police in the first place.

To show that I was willing to be reasonable and go the extra mile I even drove my partner and baby to a meeting with this man and left them to talk for an hour or so before retuning to pick them up. My partner was very pleased as the man had told her he was happy just to have occasional access when convenient and was looking for nothing more. I had my doubts as to how long he would keep to that position and indeed within about three days he was emailing my partner again saying he would accept nothing less than me out of the way and them living together in her house! It seems to me that this man is simply engaging in a controlling pattern of lifting her expectations and then dashing them again within days to break her down and destablisise her.

He can't see the baby at his home as his partner doesn't know about the affair but we have offered him access elsewhere. A friend who lives just down the road made her home available so he could meet my partner and the baby there and that seemed to go well. That venue is still available for access visits. Now, however, he is back to saying that he is unwilling to continue to see the child unless it is in our home, under our roof. I find this utterly unacceptable.

We have set out months ago, and this was made clear by the police and in the letter that we sent to his solicitor that our home is an absolute no-go area for him - yet he is now attempting to emotionally blackmail my partner into allowing him into the home he desecrated with his affair by giving my partner ultimatums that if she doesn't let him have access here he will walk away from the child. He knows how important it is to my partner for the child to know her biological father and he seems to be manipulating this desire mercilessly.

Setting aside any issues of pride or male ego, the very thought of this man coming into our home for any reason or any length of time fills me with utter dread. He has shown no respect for any boundary we, or the police, have set. He seems relentlessly focused on destroying our relationship in order to usurp me and move into my partner's home and he shows no concern whatsoever for anyone else's views on this. I work as a therapist so have some knowledge of personality disorder and I see in this man clear and persistent signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder which is bad, bad news. He is utterly devious, manipulative, dishonest and boundaries are simply things to be ignored for him. My partner understands my concerns about personality disorder but thinks he is more likely on the autistic spectrum and struggling with all this. Her father is on the spectrum and wasn't diagnosed until his sixties so she has seen the struggles that those on the autistic spectrum can face and she doesn't want to penalise this guy of he is on the spectrum. I don't for one moment think he is and he was a lance-corporal in the Parachute regiment (and is a Falklands vet) so I can't really imagine he is too debilitated by any autistic condition.

My concern is that if he gains access to our home under this emotional duress it will simply be the start of a new cycle of Hell for us. We will have made it clear to him that no boundary we set has any meaning whatsoever and that he can break it down through pester power and emotional blackmail. He will simply use access to disrupt our home and push further and further into our lives with his clear agenda of forcing me out and moving in with my partner.

He claims to be devastated at not being able to see his child and that there is nothing more he wants in the world. Yet we have bent over backwards since the baby was born to arrange access and all he has done is dick about and manipulate. It was almost six months until he arranged to see her at all and he has seen her by arrangement a tool of three times in 8 months despite being offered easy access within basic boundaries. He hasn't contributed a single penny in maintenance (he should have paid over £1000 by now) and all he has given is a couple of new small toy gifts and some second-hand toys from the Barnardos shop he volunteers in. This is despite the fact that he receives £750 in pensions a month and was working in a job until a couple of months ago when he chose to leave it because he didn't like his boss.

In the meantime I am doing the feeds, the baths, the nappy changes, the driving of my partner and her baby to necessary appointments, the playing with the baby, helping with the housework etc, all at great cost of time and energy which I should really be devoting to rebuilding my work which has suffered hugely.

There is not a day goes by when I don't feel under siege from this man who I feel is like Voldermort lurking outside Hogwarts trying to charm his way in. I lose sleep, worry endlessly and am probably depressed, yet I keep going. My partner owns our house so at the end of the day she can invite into it whoever she wants and my partner is so keen for him to have a relationship with the child (which I see as him using as nothing but a pawn to manipulate my partner) that I fear she will do anything to appease his demands. To me, him coming into the house, however, is just a make-or-break boundary that is unacceptable. Everything he wants in terms of access can be achieved without that if he is really interested.

I have spoken with a number of male friends about this (including one who is estranged from his own daughter and says this man is being offered everything he dreams of having) and they are unanimous that this man must not be allowed into our home under any circumstances. I realise, however, that they are all male and friends of mine so perhaps their judgment is not universal. I welcome a female perspective.

My position is simple:

  1. If my partner wants to explore further this man having a relationship with the baby, I think she is unwise but I will not stand in her way and will facilitate anything productive as I have already bent over to do.
  2. Despite that there have to be some absolute boundaries for us, our home and our relationship to be safe and respected and the most important thing is that the man does not set foot over our threshold.

Is my position unreasonable?

OP posts:
ThomsonandThompson · 02/02/2016 20:20

Fuck this shit - pack your bags and leave

Hissy · 02/02/2016 20:21

Why is this slimeball calling any shots at all?

He is in the weakest position ever! He's been threatened with legal proceedings due to harassment - he's continuing ... That could be followed up. His poor deluded partner would find out.

He's not paying maintenance- refer him to CMA - they would contact him, his deluded partner would find out.

Refuse all access - if he doesn't like it, the court system is there - and his deluded partner would find out.

Seriously tho, not your circus, not your monkeys.

She's a liar and a cheat and you were really foolish to take her back. I'd say the same to a woman taking a man back after inprengating his mistress.

Leave her. Save yourself the hassle of a life time with these dreadful people.

You owe nobody anything.

YellowTulips · 02/02/2016 20:32

Ok I'll bite.

I think the 3 of you are locked in a totally destructive emotional menage-a-tois - all playing roles that enable each other's behaviour.

Your wife - the angst ridden, guilty party "trying to do the right thing" whilst wringing her hands like lady Macbeth, having made decision after decision that keeps her in the dramatic spotlight - because that's where she wants to be.

The OM - the bounding cad who wants his (and everyone else's) cake but secretly desires no outcome that involves him taking responsibility - but as long as he's got people jumping to the beat of his drum, his ego is doing great.

You - the selfless, supportive spouse. Basking in the power of forgiveness (beyond reason) and gaining affirmation of what a great martyr you are. Sainthood surely awaits?

You all 3 need to get a grip.

The only sympathy I have here is for the child and the OM's wife/partner.

MsColouring · 02/02/2016 20:34

I can't help reading this and wondering why you wouldn't just have pretended the baby is yours, got on with your lives and completely cut him out.

goddessofsmallthings · 02/02/2016 20:46

Why didn't you support your dp's plan to terminate while assuring her that your relationship could resume afterwards? Is there any possibility that the dc could be yours?

Has it occured to you that you may have a martyr complex, or that you have become so used to rescuing others from themselves that you felt you had, and feel you have, no choice but to 'save' your dp?

I suggested earlier that you report your OP and ask mumsnet to move this thread to the Relationships board and can only hope that you will do so asap.

ReginaBlitz · 03/02/2016 00:05

Leave her. She has taken you for a complete twat. You don't have kids with her it's six years not twenty, run like fuck and find someone that appreciates you and isn't a dirty cheat with a psychos baby.

MistressDeeCee · 03/02/2016 00:10

Im now thinking Hmm how come this man's partner has no inkling that he's been done for harassment, more than once I think you said, OP?.

& if you really want him to go away then why would you reach out to him re. mediation, instead of immediately pursuing contact centre and CSA claim?

The police have cautioned him re. his harassment of you, is he so odd that he'd risk coming to your home and you contacting police again re. him harassing you?

A lot of things don't quite add up here. There are 4 adults in this skewered dynamic and No4 (the wife) seems to not know a thing at all despite all the dramatic to-ing & fro-ing huffing and puffing and police involvement. Other people know as well don't they - your friends? Im wondering if your DP met him via mutual friends. I suppose it could all be feasible ..but somehow it seems very strange

Either way you are all doing the child a great dis-service and you can't continue living like this anyway because you will drive yourself mad. Even if you stick it out then once child is grown and living away you spend that time reflecting over the past years and shifting into blame mode on your DP, both of you ending your days in utter misery. It could happen

I hope you get out

toastyarmadillo · 03/02/2016 06:59

Can you be 100% certain via a DNA test that dd is his child.

Penfold007 · 03/02/2016 08:10

OP you need to talk to your supervisor about your boundary issues etc. Your problem is your partner.

notapizzaeater · 03/02/2016 08:24

I'd walk away now, it's inly going to get worse. This man could be in your life's for another 18 years pulling the strings. I'd get CSA involved regardless of his wishes, why shouldn't his wife know what a prick she's married.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 03/02/2016 09:09

Yes, I think it would be worth testing to see if the child actually belongs to this very strange person rather than you, unless you and your DP hadn't been actually having sex at all during the conception period.

JolseBaby · 03/02/2016 09:20

OK. Given that your friends (who presumably know all the ins and outs of this situation and have more info to go on) are also saying 'run don't walk', then that is exactly what I would do.

Don't be used as a walking wallet for a woman who clearly doesn't give a shit about your feelings.

BlondeOnATreadmill · 03/02/2016 09:26

Constantly amazed at what absolute shit some people will put up with.

Run, run, run.

Katenka · 03/02/2016 09:29

Can't help but wonder how sure she is that the baby is the OM

Domitianus · 03/02/2016 09:39

The baby is definitely this man's child - no doubt about that.

His partner (there are no wives in this scenario) is oblivious as the police treated the matter delicately at our request and their judgment. He was phoned on his mobile and asked to come to the station.

The police perceived his partner as a victim as well so didn't feel it their place to expose the matter in a small town. She works in a different town during the day anyway so isn't around during normal working hours.

OP posts:
Theendispie · 03/02/2016 09:40

Agree, get a DNA test

Some people can't be saved from themselves as a therapist I would have thought that was obvious.

Theendispie · 03/02/2016 09:42

You are a mug mate as simple as that.

Dontyouopenthattrapdoor · 03/02/2016 09:43

Oh OP. You sound exhausted.

Some thoughts, gently offered:

Do you have a tendency to be a rescuer in life? I know many of us in the caring professions do. And you have seen your wife become suicidal. I wonder how much of this is you trying to protect her because you're terrified of her going that way again.

Nevertheless, this situation is untenable. It will make you ill, and it is also enabling both your wife and this other man to continue in their destructive and abusive behaviour patterns both to each other but also to you AND to the man's partner.

Set some clear boundaries and stick to them. Reasonably, but consistently. No, he can't come to the house, and all communication through solicitor. Say it over and over.

I think you're scared she'll leave you. That may or may not be a valid fear. But I think you and she both need some separate help to talk through your issues which have clearly become overwhelming.

I hope you find a way to keep yourself well and ok through this.

steppemum · 03/02/2016 09:46

I feel very sorry for you.
Your partner has created a mess, and has drawn you in, and is not taking any responsibility for solving it.

If she loved you, she would respect you.
That means, respecting your views on having this man in the house, it means working together as a team on how to move forward, it means not rubbing your face into it with this man, it means that contact for the baby happens in a neutral place, under the supervision of a neutral party, and she removes herself from the loop.

Guess what? She isn't doing ANY of that, because, I am afraid, she wants a relationship with this man.

You need to leave.

Just pack your bags and go. The longer you stay the harder it will be.
You will discover there is life after this relationship, hopefully with a caring partner, that doesn't walk all over you.

DawnOfTheDoggers · 03/02/2016 10:13

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SpecialStains · 03/02/2016 10:45

I couldn't stay with someone that had cheated on me like that. He absolutely does not get access to your home.
If he wants access to his child, then it happens supervised at a contact centre without him needing to see you or your wife.
Why are you putting up with all this? Your wife doesn't sound to be doing anything to put a stop to it? Is she always a drama-lama?
Hope you find the strength to remove yourself from this situation.

RhiWrites · 03/02/2016 10:46

Hmm, his trying to keep this secret is going to be a big issue as the child gets older. One thing you could do is warn him that if he doesn't keep to the boundaries you've set, you'll tell his partner.

That said, this isn't on you to manage. Your partner seems completely blind to this man's toxicity. I don't know why she's determined to keep him in your lives but some family counselling would be a good idea.

MistressDeeCee · 03/02/2016 11:35

It does appear no CSA initiated as nobody wants the wife to know. Mediation attempted, so as to resolve nice and quietly. Its utterly ridiculous that this man is being handled with kid gloves in this way. As if tbh he is more important than you all. How can anybody live like this? To love another so much that its to your own detriment? Its honestly beyond me, I really hope the wife finds out (although I feel so sorry for her) you all need a rocket up your arse and she's the one to do it, because as it is everybody's pissing around here. Its too much about the adults and not about the child in all this.

Loads of friends advising you in RL, loads of people on here (albeit strangers) giving you same advice. Best this thread is moved to Relationships I think - but you'll get same advice there too. Do you have family OP? You'll need their support. It just sounds as if you are outlining your situation here, perhaps venting? Which may make you feel good for a time.. I don't know..but it won't enable you to cope with this utter mess.

Im a great believer that when someone clearly does not want you in the way you want them, no matter how painful that fact is then you must move on for your own sanity. To stay as someone's whipping boy is a skewered form of martyrdom and doesn't necessarily mean your partner will be oh so grateful to you, or even feel she owes you. Unfortunately she doesn't have to.

She is angling for so many ways for this man to remain in your lives, be on your doorstep regularly if not inside your home for years to come; does this not truly resonate with you in terms of what it means and who she wants?

Its an emotionally abusive situation and you'd be best off getting counselling alone, without your abusive partner, and explore why you are throwing your life away on a situation which can't possibly have a happy ending

fidel1ne · 03/02/2016 11:54

What are you going to do OP?

Are you okay? Are there practical difficulties around housing and work if you leave?

whatevva · 03/02/2016 12:59

It sounds like she agreed to you being the father but did not really want that. She just wants you as back up. You have committed to her, but she has not made that commitment to you.

She did nothing to protect your position (marriage would have given you parental rights, or she could have given you PR - she has just left the door open for the ex to go to court of PR). She went back to tell him he was the father because of his 'right to know' but this flies in the face of accepting you as the father - he was bound to want to act upon it in some way.

She has left all her options open, yet you have had to make sacrifices both with your work and your emotions. The situation is not stable. You have no legal rights. She can just change her mind and everything you have put effort into will vanish.

You need to take a step back and look at your needs as well. You cannot make a good job of supporting someone else by ignoring your own needs. Her actions are not backing up what she says.

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