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Should my partner allow child's father into house for access?

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Domitianus · 02/02/2016 14:27

Hello all.

I hope you don't mind a father joining your site to get a female perspective on a thorny issue.

My partner of 6 years had an affair at a difficult and stressful point in our relationship and became pregnant by him. She was devastated and was planning a termination but I found out before she went through with it, forgave her and assured her that I would support her in raising the child as if my own as we had always wanted a child. She accepted this offer but sank nonetheless into a deep and near suicidal depression due to her involvement with this man that I had to nurse her through at considerable cost to myself.

My partner had broken off contact with this man (who lives with his own partner who is still completely oblivious to what has happened) and when she told him she was experiencing a breakdown his response was "You never told me you were a loon!"

After my partner's mood stabilised she decided she had to tell this man about the pregnancy simply because he had a right to know. I and at least one of her male friends were unsure about the wisdom of this (due to us seeing with hindsight that the man appeared to be ruthlessly predatory and dishonest) but we agreed to her decision.

From that point on this man has been relentless in pursuing my partner once again and in harassing me and attempting to undermine our relationship. He has repeatedly emailed and called my partner to insist that she resume their relationship and that he move into our home to raise the child together. He has sent me abusive and inflammatory emails and then denied to my partner that his behaviour was at all confrontational. His behaviour became so troublesome that I had to warn him that we would take legal action. He ignored this warning and we had to have the police serve a harassment warning on him that kept him quiet for a while. Then he started up again and the police took him in and cautioned him.

The baby was born 8 months ago and my partner and I have been raising her in a loving and stable environment. We have offered the biological father repeated opportunities to have a relationship with her. We originally did this in a face to face meeting before the police involvement in which we told him we would be happy to facilitate a relationship between him and the child and would place no unreasonable barriers in the way - we merely wanted him to respect our relationship and our boundaries. He agreed to that at the time and said the meeting had been productive.

Since the baby was born we emailed him and said that if he wanted to discuss access we would be happy to receive a solicitor's letter from him to start the ball rolling. A solicitor wrote to us on his behalf (clearly unaware of the actual history of affairs) and said her client wanted my partner to reply directly to him. The letter was full of unreasonable demands. We wrote back to the solicitor, set out the full fa ts of the case and said we were happy to commence access discussions but that his other demands were unreasonable at this time. We heard no more from the solicitor but he subsequently claimed he could not continue to pay for a solicitor out of his joint bank account without his partner finding out. This is despite the fact that he had previously told my partner he had lots of money saved to buy land for a house.

We have offered to engage in mediation twice and on both occasions he has backed out at the very last minute with utterly implausible reasons (one of his reasons we found out was a barefaced lie).

His goal seems to have been to skirt around the issues until my partner engaged with him directly without anyone else being involved in the communication. He has achieved this and is back to the relentless pressure on my partner that caused him to be cautioned by the police in the first place.

To show that I was willing to be reasonable and go the extra mile I even drove my partner and baby to a meeting with this man and left them to talk for an hour or so before retuning to pick them up. My partner was very pleased as the man had told her he was happy just to have occasional access when convenient and was looking for nothing more. I had my doubts as to how long he would keep to that position and indeed within about three days he was emailing my partner again saying he would accept nothing less than me out of the way and them living together in her house! It seems to me that this man is simply engaging in a controlling pattern of lifting her expectations and then dashing them again within days to break her down and destablisise her.

He can't see the baby at his home as his partner doesn't know about the affair but we have offered him access elsewhere. A friend who lives just down the road made her home available so he could meet my partner and the baby there and that seemed to go well. That venue is still available for access visits. Now, however, he is back to saying that he is unwilling to continue to see the child unless it is in our home, under our roof. I find this utterly unacceptable.

We have set out months ago, and this was made clear by the police and in the letter that we sent to his solicitor that our home is an absolute no-go area for him - yet he is now attempting to emotionally blackmail my partner into allowing him into the home he desecrated with his affair by giving my partner ultimatums that if she doesn't let him have access here he will walk away from the child. He knows how important it is to my partner for the child to know her biological father and he seems to be manipulating this desire mercilessly.

Setting aside any issues of pride or male ego, the very thought of this man coming into our home for any reason or any length of time fills me with utter dread. He has shown no respect for any boundary we, or the police, have set. He seems relentlessly focused on destroying our relationship in order to usurp me and move into my partner's home and he shows no concern whatsoever for anyone else's views on this. I work as a therapist so have some knowledge of personality disorder and I see in this man clear and persistent signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder which is bad, bad news. He is utterly devious, manipulative, dishonest and boundaries are simply things to be ignored for him. My partner understands my concerns about personality disorder but thinks he is more likely on the autistic spectrum and struggling with all this. Her father is on the spectrum and wasn't diagnosed until his sixties so she has seen the struggles that those on the autistic spectrum can face and she doesn't want to penalise this guy of he is on the spectrum. I don't for one moment think he is and he was a lance-corporal in the Parachute regiment (and is a Falklands vet) so I can't really imagine he is too debilitated by any autistic condition.

My concern is that if he gains access to our home under this emotional duress it will simply be the start of a new cycle of Hell for us. We will have made it clear to him that no boundary we set has any meaning whatsoever and that he can break it down through pester power and emotional blackmail. He will simply use access to disrupt our home and push further and further into our lives with his clear agenda of forcing me out and moving in with my partner.

He claims to be devastated at not being able to see his child and that there is nothing more he wants in the world. Yet we have bent over backwards since the baby was born to arrange access and all he has done is dick about and manipulate. It was almost six months until he arranged to see her at all and he has seen her by arrangement a tool of three times in 8 months despite being offered easy access within basic boundaries. He hasn't contributed a single penny in maintenance (he should have paid over £1000 by now) and all he has given is a couple of new small toy gifts and some second-hand toys from the Barnardos shop he volunteers in. This is despite the fact that he receives £750 in pensions a month and was working in a job until a couple of months ago when he chose to leave it because he didn't like his boss.

In the meantime I am doing the feeds, the baths, the nappy changes, the driving of my partner and her baby to necessary appointments, the playing with the baby, helping with the housework etc, all at great cost of time and energy which I should really be devoting to rebuilding my work which has suffered hugely.

There is not a day goes by when I don't feel under siege from this man who I feel is like Voldermort lurking outside Hogwarts trying to charm his way in. I lose sleep, worry endlessly and am probably depressed, yet I keep going. My partner owns our house so at the end of the day she can invite into it whoever she wants and my partner is so keen for him to have a relationship with the child (which I see as him using as nothing but a pawn to manipulate my partner) that I fear she will do anything to appease his demands. To me, him coming into the house, however, is just a make-or-break boundary that is unacceptable. Everything he wants in terms of access can be achieved without that if he is really interested.

I have spoken with a number of male friends about this (including one who is estranged from his own daughter and says this man is being offered everything he dreams of having) and they are unanimous that this man must not be allowed into our home under any circumstances. I realise, however, that they are all male and friends of mine so perhaps their judgment is not universal. I welcome a female perspective.

My position is simple:

  1. If my partner wants to explore further this man having a relationship with the baby, I think she is unwise but I will not stand in her way and will facilitate anything productive as I have already bent over to do.
  2. Despite that there have to be some absolute boundaries for us, our home and our relationship to be safe and respected and the most important thing is that the man does not set foot over our threshold.

Is my position unreasonable?

OP posts:
GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 02/02/2016 18:14

LTB. Honestly no good can come of this. Lucky you're not married and can just leave.

MistressDeeCee · 02/02/2016 18:19

If you were a woman posting this about a man, 99% of the MN responses would be saying the same. Let's not pretend she's vulnerable or lacks the capacity or judgment to take responsibility for her inexcusable behaviour

I agree with this 100%

OP - IF your story is true and exactly as you've told it here then sorry, your partner is a pain in the fucking arse who has zero boundaries, you also don't have boundaries because she and that stupid man are walking all over you.

Its an emotive situation but assert yourself, put your foot down, state very clearly and firmly that contact centre must be arranged via solicitor, and refuse to have no more to do with any further conversation about this fool visiting your home.

The thing is when you do finally assert yourself you tend to see the glaring truth about people; I just hope its a truth you can live with because the shocking lack of respect here including from a man who is going to be haunting your life at least for the next 18 years via this child, whilst your partner facilitates him and you are left out of conversations and arrangements (although you'll be conveniently around as p/t pseudo-father to cover the "uninteresting" bits of childraising) - will reveal to you whats really going on here.

In your shoes Id leave both of them to it, its a mess. Thats without even taking into account the confusion that poor child will experience growing up, what with an idiot dad filling his ears with nonsense and a mum who will facilitate that and eventually expect you to put up and shut up. No - Id leave them to parent their child. Easier said than done for you tho I suppose

Although you may find eventually you are forced out anyway

Hope it all works out for you as best as can be expected

LittleBeautyBelle · 02/02/2016 18:21

Please listen carefully.

Move out. Work your behind off to make your own money and get your own place far away from this succubus.

Drop all this garbage and get out. Right now. Shut up your computer, pack it up, put all your stuff in boxes, throw them quickly in the car or taxi, and leave. Move in with your mother or brother or friend or shelter, whatever it takes.

This woman is using you from beginning to end. There is not even a smidgeon of evidence in your post that there is any hope whatsoever for any kind of healthy relationship with this kind of person you're describing.

This woman is not the one. She will never be the one. She doesn't want to be the one.

Stop begging and groveling and trying so freakishly hard for something that is truly not worthy.

She is the embodiment of the textbook manipulative player. How can you not see that? Read your post and imagine someone else wrote it. What would you think?

Domitianus · 02/02/2016 18:29

First ever post.

OP posts:
LittleBeautyBelle · 02/02/2016 18:32

No, op, I meant what would you think of the content of the post!

LittleBeautyBelle · 02/02/2016 18:35

If you don't believe us, go to your friends only this time ask them to be totally honest with you, that you can take whatever they say. Tell them to be bold and tell you what they really think of this situation you're in. I bet you anything that they will tell you what we're telling you.

bb888 · 02/02/2016 18:36

Why would you continue to enable this messed up situation? You aren't going to win here.

Katenka · 02/02/2016 18:39

Has the op responded other than saying he is reading the responses and it's his first thread?

I can not believe you have discussed this issue with so many males friends and no one has told you, you should leave and that's she is manipulating you.

Domitianus · 02/02/2016 18:50

Hi folks.

They have told me pretty much the same. Sorry I didn't reply earlier but was just reading what has been posted and too weary to reply tbh.

The story is completely true, it's my first post on MN and, with regard to the query about Birth Certificate, no-one is named as father.

Thanks all.

OP posts:
Domitianus · 02/02/2016 18:50

Hi all.

Thanks for the feedback and my friends have told me exactly the same thing.

I was reading all the replies and, frankly, was too tired and drained to reply.

Re the various queries - yes this is my first ever post on MN and the story is 100% true. Noone is named as father on the birth certificate.

OP posts:
Wolpertinger · 02/02/2016 18:54

Given it's true and it's your first post, then I'd ask to get this moved to Relationships. You are going to need a whole heap of help and AIBU is not really the right place.

TendonQueen · 02/02/2016 18:56

In that case, tell your partner it's time to choose. Him or you. If you, no more contact with him, ever. The baby needs a proper dad and you are willing to be her dad. Biology means nothing.

And tell this man's partner what's gone on. She deserves to know and it'll distract him from causing trouble for you. He deserves to have to deal with it.

Blu · 02/02/2016 18:57

So is your partner actually willing to give in to his demand to come into your home?

If he is desperate to see the baby he would be accepting the access in a friend's home.

Can I ask you a question? When she was planning a termination, you 'assured her' that you would be a father to the child, was that because you wanted the baby? Was it because she was dreading having a termination, finding it hard to face ending the pregnancy, and you loved her enough to save her from that? To meet whose needs did this pregnancy continue?

What would happen if you - or your DP - said you would tell his wife? Why is this man allowed to call all the ultimatums? If your D went to the CSA (or whatever it is called now) for maintenance his wife would find out.

It sounds as if left to her own devices your DP would allow him into your home. Why would she do this? Because she is afraid to stand her ground with him? Because she doesn't value your feelings and input? Because she is still feeling the effects of emotional abuse by this man (if applicable)?

OF COURSE YANBU to not want this man in your home.

If you were married when the baby was born you would have PR. Is this man on the birth certificate?

Blu · 02/02/2016 19:02

OP - sorry I x-posted.
Meant to say: questions were for you to answer in your head, not a demand for answers or info.

YANBU, but how you got here, and why, and where you go from here is about your relationship with your DP, not an access issue.

Oxfordblue · 02/02/2016 19:02

Oh goodness....

So he wants to call the shots but his partner doesn't know ?

You must really love this woman...

I'd tell the man to clear off & tell him that if he continues to come anywhere near, his partner will be informed of the affair & the baby.

I think your DP needs to decide if she she wants him or you. Can't have both I afraid.

TendonQueen · 02/02/2016 19:05

Doesn't a man get PR if he marries the mother of a child after its birth too? I assumed that was why people advised getting married. It gives OP parental rights if I'm right.

LalaLyra · 02/02/2016 19:06

I'm not normally very harsh in these threads, but your partner has treated you appallingly by, firstly, having an affair and then by putting you second to the babies father repeatedly. Also her father hasn't acknowledged her so has she considered what is going to happen when her daughter is older? Old enough to know that her father has a house, a family, friends etc that she isn't allowed to meet. Is she going to be able to acknowledge him in the street if she sees him? Despite all of this your partner is determined to push a relationship between her and her biological father.

Seems to me that you and the child are the victims of a selfish situation that shows no end.

AnyFucker · 02/02/2016 19:09

You are a therapist ?

Have you had any supervision sessions recently ? Get some booked, pronto.

Nanny0gg · 02/02/2016 19:19

What AF said.

Then get this thread moved to Relationships.

wotoodoo · 02/02/2016 19:35

You are too nice for this set up. It is not your house. Not your baby and your partner has done nothing to put you first so I'd go as far as to say, you've not got a decent, kind and loving partner either.

This is not going to end well. You are being put in an absolutely intolerable situation where you can only lose, no matter how lovely, kind, selfless and generous you are.

You are hurt, confused and your work is suffering. You need to step back now and salvage some self esteem, energy and head space by moving out.

And NEVER let anyone treat you like this again.

I would like to give you a hug and a beer. Hopefull, you can brush yourself off and find another partner and have YOUR baby with her.

But not until you've understood what got you into this mess in the first place.

Good luck

BillSykesDog · 02/02/2016 19:40

No he wouldn't get PR if he married her because it's not his child. If he married her he would get the same rights as every other stepfather ie nil.

OTheHugeManatee · 02/02/2016 20:09

OP, I second what a PP said - get this moved to Relationships.

I'm sorry you are going through this. But the MN verdict agrees with your friends, I'm afraid - she is using you, the situation is unacceptable and you need to get out.

If you need support to work yourself out of this painful situation, start a thread in Relationships. Lots of people leaving toxic relationships find amazing support there.

Good luck.

hedgehogsdontbite · 02/02/2016 20:09

I think your partner is still carrying a torch for him. She acting in his best interests not her child's best interests. She's prepared to allow her child to grow being blatantly treated as a dirty little secret. What effect does she think that will have on her child's self esteem?

mommy2ash · 02/02/2016 20:11

I think you both need to stop diagnosing this man as that is wholly unimportant.

From a starting point I would completely disengage until he is willing to be open and honest about his daughter to those in his life. No child should be brought up as a secret and no good will come of it.

I wouldn't be willing to discuss anything further until that is sorted out.

From what you write it reads like a tug of war for your partner and the baby and I fear it's not one you will win. If you feel you have to shield her this much from this man it isn't good is it

IAmPissedOffWithAHeadmaster · 02/02/2016 20:14

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