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Should my partner allow child's father into house for access?

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Domitianus · 02/02/2016 14:27

Hello all.

I hope you don't mind a father joining your site to get a female perspective on a thorny issue.

My partner of 6 years had an affair at a difficult and stressful point in our relationship and became pregnant by him. She was devastated and was planning a termination but I found out before she went through with it, forgave her and assured her that I would support her in raising the child as if my own as we had always wanted a child. She accepted this offer but sank nonetheless into a deep and near suicidal depression due to her involvement with this man that I had to nurse her through at considerable cost to myself.

My partner had broken off contact with this man (who lives with his own partner who is still completely oblivious to what has happened) and when she told him she was experiencing a breakdown his response was "You never told me you were a loon!"

After my partner's mood stabilised she decided she had to tell this man about the pregnancy simply because he had a right to know. I and at least one of her male friends were unsure about the wisdom of this (due to us seeing with hindsight that the man appeared to be ruthlessly predatory and dishonest) but we agreed to her decision.

From that point on this man has been relentless in pursuing my partner once again and in harassing me and attempting to undermine our relationship. He has repeatedly emailed and called my partner to insist that she resume their relationship and that he move into our home to raise the child together. He has sent me abusive and inflammatory emails and then denied to my partner that his behaviour was at all confrontational. His behaviour became so troublesome that I had to warn him that we would take legal action. He ignored this warning and we had to have the police serve a harassment warning on him that kept him quiet for a while. Then he started up again and the police took him in and cautioned him.

The baby was born 8 months ago and my partner and I have been raising her in a loving and stable environment. We have offered the biological father repeated opportunities to have a relationship with her. We originally did this in a face to face meeting before the police involvement in which we told him we would be happy to facilitate a relationship between him and the child and would place no unreasonable barriers in the way - we merely wanted him to respect our relationship and our boundaries. He agreed to that at the time and said the meeting had been productive.

Since the baby was born we emailed him and said that if he wanted to discuss access we would be happy to receive a solicitor's letter from him to start the ball rolling. A solicitor wrote to us on his behalf (clearly unaware of the actual history of affairs) and said her client wanted my partner to reply directly to him. The letter was full of unreasonable demands. We wrote back to the solicitor, set out the full fa ts of the case and said we were happy to commence access discussions but that his other demands were unreasonable at this time. We heard no more from the solicitor but he subsequently claimed he could not continue to pay for a solicitor out of his joint bank account without his partner finding out. This is despite the fact that he had previously told my partner he had lots of money saved to buy land for a house.

We have offered to engage in mediation twice and on both occasions he has backed out at the very last minute with utterly implausible reasons (one of his reasons we found out was a barefaced lie).

His goal seems to have been to skirt around the issues until my partner engaged with him directly without anyone else being involved in the communication. He has achieved this and is back to the relentless pressure on my partner that caused him to be cautioned by the police in the first place.

To show that I was willing to be reasonable and go the extra mile I even drove my partner and baby to a meeting with this man and left them to talk for an hour or so before retuning to pick them up. My partner was very pleased as the man had told her he was happy just to have occasional access when convenient and was looking for nothing more. I had my doubts as to how long he would keep to that position and indeed within about three days he was emailing my partner again saying he would accept nothing less than me out of the way and them living together in her house! It seems to me that this man is simply engaging in a controlling pattern of lifting her expectations and then dashing them again within days to break her down and destablisise her.

He can't see the baby at his home as his partner doesn't know about the affair but we have offered him access elsewhere. A friend who lives just down the road made her home available so he could meet my partner and the baby there and that seemed to go well. That venue is still available for access visits. Now, however, he is back to saying that he is unwilling to continue to see the child unless it is in our home, under our roof. I find this utterly unacceptable.

We have set out months ago, and this was made clear by the police and in the letter that we sent to his solicitor that our home is an absolute no-go area for him - yet he is now attempting to emotionally blackmail my partner into allowing him into the home he desecrated with his affair by giving my partner ultimatums that if she doesn't let him have access here he will walk away from the child. He knows how important it is to my partner for the child to know her biological father and he seems to be manipulating this desire mercilessly.

Setting aside any issues of pride or male ego, the very thought of this man coming into our home for any reason or any length of time fills me with utter dread. He has shown no respect for any boundary we, or the police, have set. He seems relentlessly focused on destroying our relationship in order to usurp me and move into my partner's home and he shows no concern whatsoever for anyone else's views on this. I work as a therapist so have some knowledge of personality disorder and I see in this man clear and persistent signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder which is bad, bad news. He is utterly devious, manipulative, dishonest and boundaries are simply things to be ignored for him. My partner understands my concerns about personality disorder but thinks he is more likely on the autistic spectrum and struggling with all this. Her father is on the spectrum and wasn't diagnosed until his sixties so she has seen the struggles that those on the autistic spectrum can face and she doesn't want to penalise this guy of he is on the spectrum. I don't for one moment think he is and he was a lance-corporal in the Parachute regiment (and is a Falklands vet) so I can't really imagine he is too debilitated by any autistic condition.

My concern is that if he gains access to our home under this emotional duress it will simply be the start of a new cycle of Hell for us. We will have made it clear to him that no boundary we set has any meaning whatsoever and that he can break it down through pester power and emotional blackmail. He will simply use access to disrupt our home and push further and further into our lives with his clear agenda of forcing me out and moving in with my partner.

He claims to be devastated at not being able to see his child and that there is nothing more he wants in the world. Yet we have bent over backwards since the baby was born to arrange access and all he has done is dick about and manipulate. It was almost six months until he arranged to see her at all and he has seen her by arrangement a tool of three times in 8 months despite being offered easy access within basic boundaries. He hasn't contributed a single penny in maintenance (he should have paid over £1000 by now) and all he has given is a couple of new small toy gifts and some second-hand toys from the Barnardos shop he volunteers in. This is despite the fact that he receives £750 in pensions a month and was working in a job until a couple of months ago when he chose to leave it because he didn't like his boss.

In the meantime I am doing the feeds, the baths, the nappy changes, the driving of my partner and her baby to necessary appointments, the playing with the baby, helping with the housework etc, all at great cost of time and energy which I should really be devoting to rebuilding my work which has suffered hugely.

There is not a day goes by when I don't feel under siege from this man who I feel is like Voldermort lurking outside Hogwarts trying to charm his way in. I lose sleep, worry endlessly and am probably depressed, yet I keep going. My partner owns our house so at the end of the day she can invite into it whoever she wants and my partner is so keen for him to have a relationship with the child (which I see as him using as nothing but a pawn to manipulate my partner) that I fear she will do anything to appease his demands. To me, him coming into the house, however, is just a make-or-break boundary that is unacceptable. Everything he wants in terms of access can be achieved without that if he is really interested.

I have spoken with a number of male friends about this (including one who is estranged from his own daughter and says this man is being offered everything he dreams of having) and they are unanimous that this man must not be allowed into our home under any circumstances. I realise, however, that they are all male and friends of mine so perhaps their judgment is not universal. I welcome a female perspective.

My position is simple:

  1. If my partner wants to explore further this man having a relationship with the baby, I think she is unwise but I will not stand in her way and will facilitate anything productive as I have already bent over to do.
  2. Despite that there have to be some absolute boundaries for us, our home and our relationship to be safe and respected and the most important thing is that the man does not set foot over our threshold.

Is my position unreasonable?

OP posts:
TrollTheRespawnJeremy · 02/02/2016 17:01

Good grief. This is very Jeremy Kyle. If you were my friend OP I'd be wondering why on earth you wanted to be with your DP.

What do you get from this?

Jux · 02/02/2016 17:06

He really, really shouldn't come into your home; if she were to allow that then I would find that unacceptable and that would be the end. I would walk away.

You need proper legal advice, you need to involve the CMS for child maintenance. Find a solicitor, get the whole thing organised and on a proper legal footing. This is one time when the Courts do need to be involved.

He doesn't have a right to see his child, get that straight in your partner's head. The child has a right to a relationship with each parent, though in this case, it sounds like this little girl would be better off without. I really wouldn't want a child of mine seeing someone like him on a regular basis.

ClarenceTheLion · 02/02/2016 17:08

FFS don't marry her.

If he stays, he has everything to gain and nothing to lose by marrying, as far as I can see. If he were female I would be pointing out the huge power imbalance too.

PenguindreamsofDraco · 02/02/2016 17:12

What on earth is the matter with you that you would take all this, do all that, and still feel the need to call on internet unknowns lest you perhaps might be unreasonable not to take or do more?

vintagefiend · 02/02/2016 17:13

what bessiebumptious said

lavenderhoney · 02/02/2016 17:19

Marrying her would be mistake IMO, nothing is stable. And it will always be a battle won't it? Him against you and her dictating the shots. You'll regret it, I think.

who's name is on the birth cert? Is it his? H should be paying. Your dp should contact the csa or whoever it is now. Why on earth is she keeping secrets? A baby is a massive secret to have and almost impossible to keep that quiet as they grow.

It's a load of tosh really - yes, she can invite in who she likes. But it's your home and really, it's step too far. Why are you staying? Seriously?

And a female perspective would be the same a male one surely, in these circumstances. Leaving them on their own to talk was a strange thing to do anyway. Whose idea was that? Your caring for this child, and paying for it, and surely anything they discuss you need to know.

NanaNina · 02/02/2016 17:23

Can you come back OP or I'll start to think this is a wind up - you've had lots of posts and it's good manners to return to the thread.

Morasssassafras · 02/02/2016 17:27

You are being entirely reasonable.

Thank for bringing up npd so I didn't have to. I think your partner should educate herself on what that actually means in the real world and how he will use anyone and anything. Ideally contact through a solicitor and access via a contact centre only. He's going to continue pushing boundaries if you don't do that.

I didn't rtft but I saw a few comments about you leaving. We both know how it would play out if you did. I wish you, her and the child all the best and hope you can get him out of your lives at some point.

OzzieFem · 02/02/2016 17:28

Wow. I think it's decision time. Tell your partner that NO he is not coming in or near your house and it's about time she made a decision. Does she want you to be a father for the child or the other jerk.

As for the crap about being the biological father, so what? How many biological parents (women and men) have abused and murdered their children. The only thing worth knowing about this guy is his medical history for future reference.

Seriously, if she still dithers I would tell her she has xxxxx days/weeks to think about it (not too long) and she can leave if she does not choose you and dump this man.

Frankly I don't know how you have managed to stay sane. You are too nice.

OTheHugeManatee · 02/02/2016 17:29

You sound very keen to make excuses for your partner: it wasn't really her fault she had the affair, because it was at 'a difficult point in our relationship'. Then it wasn't her fault she kept the baby, because you persuaded her not to terminate. Now it's not her fault this intolerable arsehole she had an affair with is back in your lives, because it's all apparently down to him bullying his way back into your lives.

You need to stop absolving her of responsibility. She's not a child or an object to be pitied and pandered to - she's an adult with responsibilities, who is currently being shielded from the consequences of her actions by your bizarre and extreme martyrdom. I'm sorry but this is an incredibly unhealthy dynamic. I agree with a PP who said you should go back into therapy, as if therapy was working for you you'd have healthier boundaries.

In the short term I think you should leave, get some space, clear your head, start rebuilding your client list and leave this woman to sort out the mess she's made. And stop colluding in the deception of this man's partner: she deserves to know that her man is a cheating arsehole who's fathered children by someone else and persuaded everyone to lie to her.

DixieNormas · 02/02/2016 17:33

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BillSykesDog · 02/02/2016 17:38

He did briefly return nana, said he was digesting the replies.

I do sometimes wonder what a woman has to do on Mumsnet to get universally called out. Given that posters asking men about men in their lives regularly get told to LTB on the basis of behaviour which is several billion times lower on the being an arse scale than this I do wonder.

Yet there are still a chunk of posters in this thread sympathising with her. And even worse some berating the OP for not being committed enough or suggesting that he marry this woman!

You should have left her when she had an affair and tried to have an abortion behind your back to continue hiding it. Her behaviour since just indicates that she prioritises this man above you, most concerningly, as a father.

I would say that the maximum you should do is agree to stay if all contact stops and any contact is arranged through the courts and done with minimal contact if it happens. Tell her those are the only terms on which you will stay.

However I would bet both of my kidneys that she would not agree to that, because she cares far more about continuing this torturous connection with this man rather than being a family with you. If that's the case you have your answer: she doesn't really care and you should leave.

Honestly, you're wasting your life in this relationship. Leave, find someone who loves you and rebuild your life. This relationship will only bring you unhappiness and at some point it will end with you alone having wasted possibly decades on someone who doesn't care about you and treats you like shit. You will regret this down the line when you see how much time you've wasted with her when you could have been happy and with someone who loves you as much as you love them.

Katenka · 02/02/2016 17:38

I'm sorry but this is an incredibly unhealthy dynamic

this is so true. Its like the OP is casting himself as the white knight, his dp as the helpless damsel in distress who needs saving from herself and the villain of the piece (her OM).

And in the middle is a child. Poor thing, while everyone plays their role it doesn't sound like anyone is interested in what's best for the child.

AlpacaLypse · 02/02/2016 17:40

I've been trying to see with the sexes reversed - and I have to say that your partner is continuing to behave very badly towards you.

I'm also very worried about the financial position you'd end up in should the shit hit the fan.

In all honesty, I think you should give your partner one last opportunity to disengage from this man, and if she continues to witter on about wanting dd to have a relationship with a controlling adulterous git, I would leave.

RibinaPet · 02/02/2016 17:46

No - don't walk away from your partner, she is at a very vulnerable time, with a new baby and being harassed by the father. She needs support to keep the man away from the house.

If you leave her to her own devices she could sleepwalk into a very abusive relationship.

stand by here - and do what others suggested, as only deal with the father through solicitors and contact centres.

Your partner needs your help and support at this dangerous time

Bailey101 · 02/02/2016 17:50

Why haven't you threatened him with telling his wife and chasing child support through the official channels? That would be the first thing I'd do - at least then he'd either pack it in with his shit if he's scared of getting caught or you might get some child support for the baby.

ricketytickety · 02/02/2016 17:51

What your partner is doing doesn't make sense, unless you take a step back and see she still has feelings for this man.

He clearly has no intentions of raising the child. Why is your partner facilitating him? Because she hasn't let go. The child has a dad - you. They don't need this feckless nob. They need love. Your dp knows this, but she is willing to go out of her way for a man who won't pay for his own child or recognise their existence publically. He may have worn her down, but he can only do that because she has unfinished feelings for him.

You know you have no control over what these two pricks do about the poor kid stuck in the middle. So your choice is simple: stay in their life and put up with their games or walk away.

I really don't know what you should do. I can imagine you and your step daughter have formed a strong, loving bond. Is there any way you could maintain that without lving with your dp? I don't know, I really feel for you and the poor kid.

AppleSetsSail · 02/02/2016 17:54

Honestly. I have no idea why you would stay with someone who 1. had an affair 2. was foolish enough to find herself pregnant and 3. informed this man that she was having his baby.

How could you consider someone who conducts their life in this way a suitable partner?

If I could somehow fathom my husband forgiving the first two (I can't), he would tell me to fuck off if my crisis of conscience took the form of notifying this man that my baby was in fact his.

I gather you're madly in love with your 'daughter' by now and that's pretty tough. That being said, this union is doomed and you're better of getting out now.

BillSykesDog · 02/02/2016 17:55

Ribina he can't take responsibility for the fact that this woman is desperate to engage with this man and keep the chaos rolling on. She's choosing to make herself vulnerable. She is an adult. She can't expect the OP to be a white knight constantly rescuing her from situations of her own making before she waltzes off to create another one.

If anybody's being abused in this relationship it's the OP, on two fronts. I cannot believe that anybody cannot see that being expected to drive your partner off to a cosy meeting with the person they were fucking behind their back then coming back visibly happy is anything less than emotional abuse.

ricketytickety · 02/02/2016 17:56

I can see that your dp may be a victim of abuse by this man but she chose to have an affair and, I presume, unprotected sex with him. I apologise for calling her a prick. I can see how she might have been totally drawn in if she was depressed when she met him. But still, this mess could be easily solved if she just let go. Why does she need him so much? The baby has only seen him a few times and he obvs has no intention of raising them. Does she like the attention he gives her somehow?

Scoopmuckdizzy · 02/02/2016 17:57

How long is this man planning on hiding this child's existence from his wife?

To be honest you sound like you've taken on a lot here. You have forgiven a lot and it seems that you're being taken advantage of by your DP. It is one thing to forgive an affair and bring up another man's child, but this situation is ridiculous. You need to speak to your DP- I understand you want to be supportive but this really takes the biscuit.

If she allows him into your home- your sanctuary away from this mess then perhaps you need to rethink the relationship you have with this woman.

BillSykesDog · 02/02/2016 17:58

Oh, and it would be better for DD if you walked away now. She will get over it, if you stay it's overwhelmingly likely that this woman will leave you at some point and DD will never see you again. Don't let that happen when she's old enough to hurt you.

You're going to spend the rest of your life looking over your shoulder for her next affair if you stay.

BearsDontDigOnDancing · 02/02/2016 17:58

RibinaPet - the OP may decide to stay, he may not, however he should not stay just because she is vulnerable.

This does not sound like a very healthy situation for anyone, and I am not sure the OP should be made to feel like he HAS to stay to prevent her from walking into an abusive relationship, guilt tripping him is hardly fair.

There comes a point, where for your own mental health and happiness, you simply have to walk away. How long is he supposed to "sacrifice" himself for a woman who has lied to him.

I am NOT denying she MIGHT be vulnerable, but really, there comes a point when enough is enough. His livelihood is being effected. This man is harassing them.

Op has said himself "I lose sleep, worry endlessly and am probably depressed". He is equally as vulnerable as his partner tbh. And he just cannot be held responsible for HER decisions at the end of the day.

bessiebumptious2 · 02/02/2016 17:58

Just another thought on this situation you're in. You referred to the house you live in as both "our home" and "my partner's house". Have a think about which it is because it's important. I think it's your home too, but you may not feel that way and it is probably putting a slant on how you view things.

My partner would be furious if I referred to our home as his. It's ours, despite it being in his name for practical reasons. It would really upset him for me to say that it's just his (I know because I have said it in moments of childish petulance Grin ).

And to echo of course those who are saying that the issue is your partner, not the OM.

LittleBeautyBelle · 02/02/2016 18:07

Op...I read your post. Where to start...you're not ready to hear this yet but the short answer is:

Leave and don't turn back. Ever.

Buy or rent your own place far, far away in a wholly different part of the country. Be very grateful you are not married to this woman and thus entangled for life because she is a spider and you are in her web. As the fly. Not another spider, that would be the other guy.

Run, don't walk, away from these two people who are perfectly suited to one another. Your partner, as you call her, is eating up all this drama centered on her soap opera made-up angst aided and abetted by two equally clueless guys, with you being the most clueless. That's not an insult. You're the decent person in this situation. However, when you allow yourself to be so manipulated as is so obvious in your post, you cross the line and you're no longer a decent person, you're enabling an awful person and rewarding her seemingly passive but in reality very controlling behavior by being her butler, nanny, housekeeper, lawyer, errand-runner, personal assistant and ironically, therapist (hahaha!!!!...sorry)