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Should my partner allow child's father into house for access?

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Domitianus · 02/02/2016 14:27

Hello all.

I hope you don't mind a father joining your site to get a female perspective on a thorny issue.

My partner of 6 years had an affair at a difficult and stressful point in our relationship and became pregnant by him. She was devastated and was planning a termination but I found out before she went through with it, forgave her and assured her that I would support her in raising the child as if my own as we had always wanted a child. She accepted this offer but sank nonetheless into a deep and near suicidal depression due to her involvement with this man that I had to nurse her through at considerable cost to myself.

My partner had broken off contact with this man (who lives with his own partner who is still completely oblivious to what has happened) and when she told him she was experiencing a breakdown his response was "You never told me you were a loon!"

After my partner's mood stabilised she decided she had to tell this man about the pregnancy simply because he had a right to know. I and at least one of her male friends were unsure about the wisdom of this (due to us seeing with hindsight that the man appeared to be ruthlessly predatory and dishonest) but we agreed to her decision.

From that point on this man has been relentless in pursuing my partner once again and in harassing me and attempting to undermine our relationship. He has repeatedly emailed and called my partner to insist that she resume their relationship and that he move into our home to raise the child together. He has sent me abusive and inflammatory emails and then denied to my partner that his behaviour was at all confrontational. His behaviour became so troublesome that I had to warn him that we would take legal action. He ignored this warning and we had to have the police serve a harassment warning on him that kept him quiet for a while. Then he started up again and the police took him in and cautioned him.

The baby was born 8 months ago and my partner and I have been raising her in a loving and stable environment. We have offered the biological father repeated opportunities to have a relationship with her. We originally did this in a face to face meeting before the police involvement in which we told him we would be happy to facilitate a relationship between him and the child and would place no unreasonable barriers in the way - we merely wanted him to respect our relationship and our boundaries. He agreed to that at the time and said the meeting had been productive.

Since the baby was born we emailed him and said that if he wanted to discuss access we would be happy to receive a solicitor's letter from him to start the ball rolling. A solicitor wrote to us on his behalf (clearly unaware of the actual history of affairs) and said her client wanted my partner to reply directly to him. The letter was full of unreasonable demands. We wrote back to the solicitor, set out the full fa ts of the case and said we were happy to commence access discussions but that his other demands were unreasonable at this time. We heard no more from the solicitor but he subsequently claimed he could not continue to pay for a solicitor out of his joint bank account without his partner finding out. This is despite the fact that he had previously told my partner he had lots of money saved to buy land for a house.

We have offered to engage in mediation twice and on both occasions he has backed out at the very last minute with utterly implausible reasons (one of his reasons we found out was a barefaced lie).

His goal seems to have been to skirt around the issues until my partner engaged with him directly without anyone else being involved in the communication. He has achieved this and is back to the relentless pressure on my partner that caused him to be cautioned by the police in the first place.

To show that I was willing to be reasonable and go the extra mile I even drove my partner and baby to a meeting with this man and left them to talk for an hour or so before retuning to pick them up. My partner was very pleased as the man had told her he was happy just to have occasional access when convenient and was looking for nothing more. I had my doubts as to how long he would keep to that position and indeed within about three days he was emailing my partner again saying he would accept nothing less than me out of the way and them living together in her house! It seems to me that this man is simply engaging in a controlling pattern of lifting her expectations and then dashing them again within days to break her down and destablisise her.

He can't see the baby at his home as his partner doesn't know about the affair but we have offered him access elsewhere. A friend who lives just down the road made her home available so he could meet my partner and the baby there and that seemed to go well. That venue is still available for access visits. Now, however, he is back to saying that he is unwilling to continue to see the child unless it is in our home, under our roof. I find this utterly unacceptable.

We have set out months ago, and this was made clear by the police and in the letter that we sent to his solicitor that our home is an absolute no-go area for him - yet he is now attempting to emotionally blackmail my partner into allowing him into the home he desecrated with his affair by giving my partner ultimatums that if she doesn't let him have access here he will walk away from the child. He knows how important it is to my partner for the child to know her biological father and he seems to be manipulating this desire mercilessly.

Setting aside any issues of pride or male ego, the very thought of this man coming into our home for any reason or any length of time fills me with utter dread. He has shown no respect for any boundary we, or the police, have set. He seems relentlessly focused on destroying our relationship in order to usurp me and move into my partner's home and he shows no concern whatsoever for anyone else's views on this. I work as a therapist so have some knowledge of personality disorder and I see in this man clear and persistent signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder which is bad, bad news. He is utterly devious, manipulative, dishonest and boundaries are simply things to be ignored for him. My partner understands my concerns about personality disorder but thinks he is more likely on the autistic spectrum and struggling with all this. Her father is on the spectrum and wasn't diagnosed until his sixties so she has seen the struggles that those on the autistic spectrum can face and she doesn't want to penalise this guy of he is on the spectrum. I don't for one moment think he is and he was a lance-corporal in the Parachute regiment (and is a Falklands vet) so I can't really imagine he is too debilitated by any autistic condition.

My concern is that if he gains access to our home under this emotional duress it will simply be the start of a new cycle of Hell for us. We will have made it clear to him that no boundary we set has any meaning whatsoever and that he can break it down through pester power and emotional blackmail. He will simply use access to disrupt our home and push further and further into our lives with his clear agenda of forcing me out and moving in with my partner.

He claims to be devastated at not being able to see his child and that there is nothing more he wants in the world. Yet we have bent over backwards since the baby was born to arrange access and all he has done is dick about and manipulate. It was almost six months until he arranged to see her at all and he has seen her by arrangement a tool of three times in 8 months despite being offered easy access within basic boundaries. He hasn't contributed a single penny in maintenance (he should have paid over £1000 by now) and all he has given is a couple of new small toy gifts and some second-hand toys from the Barnardos shop he volunteers in. This is despite the fact that he receives £750 in pensions a month and was working in a job until a couple of months ago when he chose to leave it because he didn't like his boss.

In the meantime I am doing the feeds, the baths, the nappy changes, the driving of my partner and her baby to necessary appointments, the playing with the baby, helping with the housework etc, all at great cost of time and energy which I should really be devoting to rebuilding my work which has suffered hugely.

There is not a day goes by when I don't feel under siege from this man who I feel is like Voldermort lurking outside Hogwarts trying to charm his way in. I lose sleep, worry endlessly and am probably depressed, yet I keep going. My partner owns our house so at the end of the day she can invite into it whoever she wants and my partner is so keen for him to have a relationship with the child (which I see as him using as nothing but a pawn to manipulate my partner) that I fear she will do anything to appease his demands. To me, him coming into the house, however, is just a make-or-break boundary that is unacceptable. Everything he wants in terms of access can be achieved without that if he is really interested.

I have spoken with a number of male friends about this (including one who is estranged from his own daughter and says this man is being offered everything he dreams of having) and they are unanimous that this man must not be allowed into our home under any circumstances. I realise, however, that they are all male and friends of mine so perhaps their judgment is not universal. I welcome a female perspective.

My position is simple:

  1. If my partner wants to explore further this man having a relationship with the baby, I think she is unwise but I will not stand in her way and will facilitate anything productive as I have already bent over to do.
  2. Despite that there have to be some absolute boundaries for us, our home and our relationship to be safe and respected and the most important thing is that the man does not set foot over our threshold.

Is my position unreasonable?

OP posts:
Katenka · 02/02/2016 16:03

Well she doesn't sound very stable Katenka, but still, she is an adult.

Or she sounds very manipulative.

Really what what the response be if a woman posted that she her career was suffering because her dp had an affair with OW and now felt so guilty he was having a break down now she had found out. And the her dp was still trying their best to remain in contact with OW.

NanaNina · 02/02/2016 16:05

I think the one thing no one has mentioned that at the centre of all this is an 8 month baby, and the bio dad has seen about 3 times, so he is a stranger to her and 8 months is the age when babies become very wary of strangers. It's ridiculous - he can't just see the baby on a hop and a catch. And how can you or your wife be sure that he would be able to care for the baby even if he took up the one of the offers you have put forward.

Someone mentions he has no rights if is name isn't on the birth certificate but it is easy enough to get Parental Responsibility (PR) through the court. I agree with whoever said that he's not interested in the baby he's using that because he wants to re-kindle the relationship with your wife, and maybe she is doing the same, I don't know. She should certainly be being far more assertive with him.

A child does have the right to know her bio father but the father has a responsibility to make a relationship with the child. At this baby's age she would need very frequent contact to have recall of a particular person. You have tried as hard as you can to facilitate contact and IF he went to the family courts you could demonstrate that - no legal aid is available ad so he would have to represent himself.

Time for some direct talking with you wife I think. Your good nature seems be being exploited.

ClarenceTheLion · 02/02/2016 16:05

*who she wants, not how

AcrossthePond55 · 02/02/2016 16:06

I don't think you're being unreasonable at all. But I think you're dealing with TWO unreasonable people. People who, unfortunately, are the parents of this child.

What I'm getting out of this is that your DP want to go much further than you do in facilitating a relationship between the child and her bio father. Unfortunately, there isn't going to be anything you'll be able to do about that if she's not willing to discuss the issue and compromise with you.

I agree that there must be a large age gap between your DP and 'MrX'. Could it be that your DP was a bit 'in thrall' to this older man and still hasn't gotten completely over, not necessarily the relationship itself, but his 'emotional control' over her? I'm not sure I'm putting this in the right way, I hope you understand what I mean; older man in 'powerful' position and a younger woman who thinks he is omniscient?

You need a frank talk with her, outlining what you want to happen. Limited contact, never in your house, and (IMO) that she should not be alone with him. AND he should be paying maintenance for this child, especially if he's going to be in her life. MrX is really having his cake and eating it too!

I'd probably tell him to back the fuck off or a 'little birdie' might just drop a word in to certain ears! But IMO, his wife really deserves to know, especially since there's a child!

BillSykesDog · 02/02/2016 16:07

How committed are you to this relationship and to this child, really?

Only on Mumsnet could this be twisted around to the OP not being committed enough...

JohnLuther · 02/02/2016 16:07

Fuck that shit.

Walk away.

ClarenceTheLion · 02/02/2016 16:07

Really what what the response be if a woman posted that she her career was suffering because her dp had an affair with OW and now felt so guilty he was having a break down now she had found out. And the her dp was still trying their best to remain in contact with OW.

I would tell her to get her self-respect back and start working on her exit strategy.

The OP seems to be in a vulnerable situation - not married, no share in the house, probably no parental rights over the child, and his career is suffering. It's easy to tell him to walk away, but he might not be able to right now.

AgathaF · 02/02/2016 16:08

I think you partner needs to have a think about exactly what she wants out of this mess.

Does she want to bring up the child with you, putting in the effort to rebuild what she damaged in your relationship as a couple, with the three of you being a family unit in your family home. Or is she going to continue to bend over backwards to accommodate with man and his random wishes, whilst you sit there wondering where you fit into it? The situation as you describe it seems to be one of you on the putside, living in her house, helping with her baby, etc. That is wrong, and not a good example to set a growing child either.

It's time whe put an end to this mans demands. Offer him access at a contact centre, with minimal communication only via email. If he doesn't want that, then she needs to realise that he is unlikely to be of any value as a familiar figure or role model in the child's life, and she would be better off walking away.

BillSykesDog · 02/02/2016 16:11

Yep. Leave the bitch. She doesn't love you, she will leave you sooner or later. She is with you because it is convenient, you give a lot but dance to her tune and put up with anything she throws at you. She's not with you because she loves you, she wouldn't treat you like this if she loved you.

CarbonEmittingPenguin · 02/02/2016 16:14

I'd honestly LTB. This sounds like signing yourself up to a lifetime of unnecessary drama and inevitable heart ache. Not worth it imo.

Katenka · 02/02/2016 16:15

I would tell her to get her self-respect back and start working on her exit strategy.

Exactly. No one would be calling the man vulnerable or feel sorry for him. Or saying the OW manipulated him into an affair.

I totally agree. He needs to prepare to move on.

I would never recommend anyone live in a house and coparent a child when they don't own any of the house or have any legal connection to the child. Especially if it puts their career at risk too.

FelicityFunknickle · 02/02/2016 16:18

If I was talking to your dp though, I would ask her what she really wants.
I would ask her more about the circumstances of the affair and its ending, and her view of her relationship with you. No offence.
Because she might not be happy. And this is her life, house and baby. Your rights are limited.
Who is named on the birth certificate as the father?

coffeeisnectar · 02/02/2016 16:19

I'd leave. She's taking the piss. And I doubt there will ever be a time when this chaos will be sorted out.

At some point his partner will find out then the shit will really hit the fan.

Walk away.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 02/02/2016 16:22

You are probably right in your assessment of the OM - he sounds like a narcissistic and is totally, utterly jerking your P around.

But your P is also jerking you around, tbh. You have no boundaries in place and you've made yourself financially and emotionally vulnerable.

Do you have somewhere else to go - parents, friends? I'd be tempted to get the hell out of dodge for a couple of weeks to really sort your head out and work out what you want from this relationship.

Then reset your boundaries with your P. Tell her what you want to happen next. Her responses to that will tell you a lot, I think. I think she's either still carrying a torch for him, or she's addicted to the drama.

And either way, for the love of all that's holy, tell this man's partner that he's fathered a child outwith the relationship and get an STD test.

gatewalker · 02/02/2016 16:24

Domitianus - I haven't read all of the responses, but I read your OP, and I agree with LaurieFairyCake, who writes:

"If you're a therapist, seek therapy. You could do with a top up as you're failing to see something really obvious and your boundaries are all over the place."

The issue is with your wife and your relationship with her, not the other man. He can be as much of a narcissistic bastard as he wants to be, and it wouldn't have to impact you at all if both of you decided not to tolerate it. Or enable it.

gatewalker · 02/02/2016 16:24

Partner, not wife - sorry.

ClarenceTheLion · 02/02/2016 16:31

If you stay, I think you should get married if your partner's amenable to it. It will give you some rights. In your position I wouldn't stay unless I had some security. Technically you could lose everything any day and not be able to do anything about it. If you're good enough to raise her child, you should be good enough to marry.

toastyarmadillo · 02/02/2016 16:33

Agree with the previous posters, this needs to be kept away from your home and legal. Access centre or nothing. Threaten to tell his wife if he doesn't cooperate!

BillSykesDog · 02/02/2016 16:40

FFS don't marry her.

BlondeOnATreadmill · 02/02/2016 16:40

Sorry, but I really think you should walk away from this. Are you staying because it's now a battle of wills between you and him?

She is a cheat. She had sex with another man, without using protection (and thus exposing you to STD's). She has brought all of this angst to your door. It's too much, it really is.

This other Man is going to be in your lives FOREVER. Can you deal with that? Should you have to? He will want to come to birthday parties. He will attend graduations. He will want to walk her down the aisle. He will expect to be at the Top table at her wedding. Where does that leave you? The outcast?

How the hell does the other man expect to keep his DD a secret from his wife? That's preposterous. If he were to move in with your DP, wouldn't the wife wonder where he went? FFS.

This guy HAS to pay maintenance for the child. That means he is going to HAVE to spill the beans to his wife. Tough shit. Not your problem.

You seem like a lovely person. But you're being too lovely about this.

PP referred to you as a Saint. But (and I mean this kindly), I think you're being a Door Mat.

Please please toughen up. Sorry, I would walk away.

FelicityFunknickle · 02/02/2016 16:41

Is it possible she was depressed, not because of her involvement with the OM but because their relationship ended?
Does she want what she has now?
Is she afraid of him? Or of something else?

wannabestressfree · 02/02/2016 16:42

I would insist for transparency that his wife/ partner is made aware of what is going on.
I would also arrange for any access to be in a centre as far away from you both as possible
Hopefully he will drop it. I Don't think your partner is a bitch or any of the other names she has been called. We Don't know her or the full reasons you have gone into this but I would urge you to protect yourself especially emotionally.

Chippednailvarnish · 02/02/2016 16:45

You sound like a total doormat

Yup.

bessiebumptious2 · 02/02/2016 16:52

This is just the start of a whole heap of sadness heading your way OP and that may last a lifetime.

For your own sake, be kind to yourself and leave them to it. You sound like a nice person - contrary to some comments, I don't think you're a doormat, I just think you're unable to see the wood for the trees - and you don't deserve this.

You've already had a lot of difficulty and stress in this relationship, according to your post, and you've seen how your partner handles that stress. That is important to remember.

PennyHasNoSurname · 02/02/2016 16:59

You sound like you are attempting to be a sticking plaster over the cracks in the relationship but its a chasm. No bridging that.