World Hijab Day

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AIBU to feel uncomfortable with this day and also really irritated at the lack of discussion over this event from a feminist perspective. There seems to be a wholesale silence from the Feminist blogs and papers I subscribe to, and I can't find any discussion on here. No-one wants to talk to about it.

Just that really.

What is all the fuss about? A woman's choice to cover? Or a woman not falling into line with expectations?

"Do you not think that in itself is wrong? It's kind of saying that they're asking for it, if they don't. It's the same logic rape apologists and victim blamers use. Just think about it."

I have thought about it. I'm not saying it's right or the way it should be or that women are in any way to blame. But, reallistically - women might feel safer covered up and invisible - sad or as outrageous as it is.

But, reallistically - women might feel safer covered up and invisible - sad or as outrageous as it is.

Not such a great thing to celebrate, that, is it? Which is what the thread is about.

But if a woman wants to celebrate the hijab, then why not?

"Think about it, before you focus on women's behaviour to make excuses for the behaviour of predatory men."

She didn't say that.

Venus, why do you keep assuming or telling people what they are saying. I haven't seen anyone making excuses for preditory men. But if i was in a country where i felt threatened or knew i might be in danger- then i might cover up or try to make myself more invisible.

Stop acting all smug and superior, showing us the error of our thinking.

She didn't say that.

She did. She chose to be "smug and superior" in her holier than thou cultural relativism at some of the people on this thread who criticise wearing a hijab because it's a symbol of the oppression of women. She also went on about the supposed "modesty" of it, and said dismissively that it was only a headscarf and it was the same as Brigitte Bardot wearing a scarf. She then said she thought sometimes that she would rather have worn a niqab in Mexico because basically, men.

If you start using the logic of victim blamers and rape apologists don't be surprised when people point it out. And that goes for you too.

What do you think your attitude would mean for a woman who doesn't wear one, and gets raped?

Venusinscorpio, are you seriously holding bambam respondible for another woman's rape???

Bambambini - Muhammad made excuses for predatory men...... If the women covered up, then the men couldn't be guilty of lust....?

But if a woman wants to celebrate the hijab, then why not?

Have you read all the thread? I think there are quite a few reasons suggested here - the most pertinent being that it's not actually a choice for many women around the world.

Sosodizzy - what is there to celebrate? Pretty colours? Pretty fabric? Or a sinister underhand subjugation of women?

Venusinscorpio, are you seriously holding bambam respondible for another woman's rape???

No. I'm saying that is the exact same logic victim blamers use to take the focus off predatory men and put it on the behaviour of women. So it makes them feel a hell of a lot more shit when they do get raped.

But if a woman wants to celebrate the hijab, then why not?
There is a clear argument put forward on this thread that the hijab is symbolic of female oppression. So yeah, let's celebrate that.

Uh - x-post twice over!

My friend just sent me this. She chooses these days to wear hijab, though she hated wearing an abaya when we were at school, and used to wear jeans and T-shirts with uncovered hair in London during the 80s.

(The bolding is mine.)

commands for hijab:

1. Lower the gaze (24:31)
2. Guard the private parts (24:31)
3. Not display their beauty except their faces and hands (24:31)
4. Extend the HEADCOVERING to cover the bosom (24:31)
5. Not display the beauty beyond the face and hands except to the people listed in 24:31
6. Not stamp the feet so as to reveal hidden beauty (24:31)
7. Draw the jilbab close around them when abroad (33:59) From this we can see that the Muslim woman has been given two directives in regard to covering the hair. The first directive is that the hair, along with the rest of the body except the face and the hands, must be concealed except before the people listed in 24:31. The second directive is that the hair should specifically be covered by the khimar, which must also extend to cover the neck and upper chest. The directives of the Quran and Sunnah are quite clear and they quite clearly direct women to wear HEADSCARVES and to cover all of their bodies except the face and hands. Along with the jilbab (outergarment) and the modest conduct of lowering the gaze, guarding the private parts, and not stamping the feet, THIS IS HIJAB. This is what Allah SWT and His Messenger have decided in this matter. It is not for a believing man or a believing woman to say anything further or to disobey (Quran 33:36).

Lumela,

Just because that argument has been put firward, doesnt give anyone the right to violate another womans right to choose to wear the hijab does it?

Have i got a clue,
You are celebrating choice. The choice to.

Can I trouble you to answer my question please?

Venus,

Just because it is not a choice for many wimen around the world, does not give anyone the right to take away that freedom of choice from another woman.

Sorry january, are you asking me to comment on your friends choice to cover?

I struggle to see where I have suggested that the hijab be banned.

But no way am I going to celebrate the subjugation of women.

Just because it is not a choice for many wimen around the world, does not give anyone the right to take away that freedom of choice from another woman

Who is saying they want to take the choice away from women if they wish to wear it? What is your point?

No, it's this one from pages ago!

I'm specifically asking whether the invitation to wear a hijab for a day is aimed only at non Muslim women or if it is a universal, non gender-specific offer to everyone, including Muslim and non-Muslim men too.

The second (genuine, non-rhetorical) question was would you wear Jewish headwear for a day in solidarity?

Maybe there should be an international 'as nature made it' head day. No veils, wigs, hats or deeley boppers. Nowt.

The world won't stop turning, there won't be mass rape, the stars won't fall out of the sky, and - now hear this - God won't get cross.

“Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:4-5‬ ‭NIV‬‬

My grandmother always wore a hat to church. I never wear a hat - even in church - because I look sht in them. I go to church most Sundays and I never* see women wearing hats. I also haven't stoned my son to death for being disobedient. I think that's in the Bible as well. I've never eaten a dung beetle though, so I must be doing something right.

Zed - you are a heathen.