AIBU to be disappointed that not every ( active ) member of MN has not taken part in the Olympic committee's trans policy poll thread?

[SurferJet]

It would take two minutes & you have 3 choices - support, protest. abstain.

What's stopping everyone taking part?

Why haven't you told us what it's about? I don't give a fig about the olympics and haven't seen the thread you're referring to. I don't want to see the link. You started a thread and should specify what your point is

Shortcut no I haven't (I've never even heard of them tbh) - does this disqualify me from having an opinion?

I am prepared to listen to an argument that in some sports, this may be a potentially serious issue. In others it's a non-issue.

Most sports are inherently "discriminatory", because the very top performers have very atypical physiological and psychological attributes.

Good for them - why should that affect me?

and sport is irrelevant to me

Wombat, the ioc has changed the regulations that a transwoman can compete as a woman so long as testosterone is under 10nmol-1 for a year. Normal level for a woman is about 3nmol-1, man is between 10-30nmol-1. No surgery is required. Completely ignores all of the other biological differences between a male and female body, that are not affected by hormonal therapy.

mistri of course it doesn't disqualify your opinion. It may alter your opinion.

Sports are sex segregated because anatomy and physiology of males and females give males an advantage. Where that is not the case e.g. equestrian events, there is no sex segregation

There are some very interesting stats on another thread

Female heavyweight champion is roughly same weight as !male, but more than a foot shorter and reach more than 15cm shorter

I think marathon...the faster women is slower than the top 50 men

(I might not have remembered acurrately)

"Maybe watching is of no interest, but high level competitive sport is a great aspiration for many young girls"

Very much the case for my DD.

Still doesn't mean I support the idea MN gets involved on campaigning on this.

Depending on what emerges from sports bodies, I shall be involved there.

From want I've read the IOC haven't changed any regulations.

They've changed the guidelines.

Each individual sport makes its own regulations.

This will have very little impact.

Answered your poll. I hadn't seen it, I don't live on MN ft, only pt.

Not sure what the point of the Olympics is now anyway, there are far too many drugs scandals or legitimate doping scams.

Of course, the impact will cascade down

Transgender isnt discussed in a way that i would chose to talk about i like many many others avoid trans threads like the plague, my opinion isnt anything I would say on a mumsnet thread yabu to treat us all like morons stay on your thread talk about your percieved injustice till your blue in the face starting a thread to summon us is ridiculous.

And I rather resent being hectored into voting and told what I should care about.

To answer the OP:

I see no value voting for things on an internet forum.

Not interested

I have to say I'm just not interested.

It's significant that this has got so little coverage in the media. I told my father in law about it the other day and he was totally disbelieving. Most people are when you tell them. For those who say they aren't interested in trans issues, neither am I tbh. I'm bored of the aggressive grandstanding of a minority of a minority deflecting attention away from women's issues. I usually ignore. But when women's right to safe spaces in changing rooms, prisons, refuges is threatened, when they no longer have a level playing field in sport - well fuck that. It's time to speak up.

Right, OP, I've read the other thread now, and I apologise for my earlier post.

However, your style/tone was provocative - as you can see from many of the other replies on here!

If you'd said why you wanted people to post on the poll thread I suspect you'd have had a much better, more considered and serious response.

BIWI - point taken.
Thank you.
& thank you for taking the time to read the other thread.

I don't like the aggressive anti trans lobby and I reserve the right to take part or not take part in any part of mumsnet as I see fit. You don't get to demand that I take part in any post or polls. Other people have different opinions to you deal with it.

Just posting to say I too am sick to death of the whole trans word/issue/whatever.

Sick.to.death.

I'm a bit bored of this topic on MN to be honest.

Is no one going to provide a link? Can't expect us to take part if we don't know where it is...

It is somewhere on here, but here it is again

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2557132-Please-could-we-have-a-quick-poll-about-the-Olympic-committees-trans?

Because I don't want to. I don't have to. You can happily post or not post anything you want. As can I.

somewhere

this is the poll

info thread