To think if you've escaped a war zone, have shelter and food a wristband is no hardship

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I might get slammed but I really don't see the issue. I've went on very expensive holidays and festivals and have to wear a wrist band for weeks on end, its fine. When I go to the steam room in local gym I have to wear a band.

I really can't see the issue. It's not the same as forcing a tattoo on someone.

LOL at OP guess you skipped history...

In sweden they are planning on wether to strip asylum seekers of their wealth. - they stopping short of rings though WTAF

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35300262

So the plans is we need to be able to identify them for public humiliation, ghettoising them, taking their valuables - whats next?

Its a crap situation - but until we get boots on the ground to secure Syria people are just going to keep coming to EU etc.

Do the wrist bands and "red painted doors really cause the problems. I am not sure. It could well be people of a certain mindset would do things like the abuse anyway.

The people they've arrested so far are asylum seekers. Suggesting the attacks were ISIS orchestrated is suggesting ISIS is using asylum seekers as foot soldiers in Europe and will add to anti-refugee rhetoric to a much greater extent than suggesting there may be some cultural issues we need to head off.

The big unfairness is that it is the richer people who make it here who can afford those trafficking them. That;s why Cameron is right to want to take women and children from camps abroad who cannot afford to make the journey rather than richer men who have left their women behind. If we let 1m young men in that is a massive gender imbalance and we all know sadly what young men full of testosterone want and need - in fact the only thing ever on their minds and it's not what happens after death. It's can they get laid that day.

What does play into lots of people's hands is hiding from truth. The mass sexual attacks in Cologne were certainly pre-planned and organised. Whether or not the attacks across cities were all planned together is a question to ask. In either case the next questions are by whom and for what purpose, as well as are they likely to happen again. We have a right to know, and more importantly a need to know to plan a response. I really really don't like the way this is being downplayed 'in case' anyone goes OTT.

DG2016 that's really quite a slur on men in general.

BreakingDad, it says in that report that it's to equalise with their - its Denmark by the way, not Sweden - own jobless, who have to sell assets over certain amounts to claim benefits. In the UK you can only claim benefits if you haven't got savings. Difficult to argue with the idea that natives shouldn't suffer in comparison.

Trouble is, we (Europe) are not equipped to take in so many migrants in one go. No state can be really. We cannot house the whole world.

haven't got savings over a certain amount in the UK, that should be.

Unfortunately Alastrante there is evidence for it. Particularly in unbalanced misogynistic societies, young men can be a problem. We see it here - wasn't it 86.6% of all violence is committed by men? From memory... Plus just a skewed demographic can cause problems apparently www.politico.eu/article/europes-man-problem/

I would be wary of any poster who does not live here but claims we are a terrifying society for Muslims to live in.

I'm all up for Muslims to come and live in the country I live in now.

Personally, I have met many Muslims, men and women, and never had any complaints. Not more than in relation to other religions. In fact, the only man who had inappropriate behaviour with me at work was a Christian.

I lived in London for over a decade and never had any worries when walking through areas with a Muslim population.

Sadly, only a handful of refugees want to come and live here. I suppose they don't speak the language and we are in an economy downturn. Many nationals have emigrated.

This is the problem with saying migrants or asylum seekers attacked the women in Cologne.
It leads to campaigns against any migrant, regardless of having committed the crime or not.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12092354/Cologne-sex-attacks-New-Years-Eve-cases-rise-to-more-than-500.html

Certainly the men are reported of being of "migrant background" - whatever that means. From this it's not clear how many of the accused or in custody are actually asylum seekers.
www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/18/cologne-attacks-algerian-asylum-seeker-arrested-new-years-eve-assaults
I think more information and less speculation is needed.

BungoWomble - "We all know sadly what young men want" "It's can they get laid that day".

Yes the majority of violence is committed by men, generally, but this poster was suggesting that young men are out to commit sexual violence pretty much all the time.

What percentage of men commit acts of violence? It's still a minority of all men. Ditto sexual violence. You cannot base any policy on the fact that a small percentage of men will be violent. It isn't that male violence isn't a problem worldwide, fgs we all know it is. It's that it involves the minority of men so if you start clamping down on half the population you end up morally very far from where you might wish to be.

But among islamic countries male violence is even more widespread - it's normal life, dv is an accepted normality - than it is here, and we don't want it to spread here.

By failing to address the causes, or even refusing to acknowledge, the half of the population that is causing the problem, you are in effect forcing the half of the population that does not cause problems to be clamped down. This is the problem. We need to support the good and erase the bad, not the other way around.

DV is rife here too amongst a minority of men.
Paedophile rings and people trafficking and child pornography and all bad things: you do know we have British people doing those too?

I live under an effective curfew: I imagine most of us women do. It's a fucking global issue.

We do not live in some magically pure and good society! You have no idea about the moral integrity of the individuals seeking shelter here. Just as you have no idea about the white bloke three streets away who beats his wife or didn't stop when that teenage girl said no.

Warning DM Link: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3416052/KATIE-HOPKINS-Britain-prepared-provide-inclusive-resort-service-asylum-seekers-wear-bloody-wristband.html

Which poster is Katie Hopkinss?!

Alastrante
Don't you know that white middle class males don't gang rape? Never.

I only agree to some extent that it's not healthy to have young males (any) with nothing to do and in isolated groups for extended periods of time. Be it asylum seekers or wealthy Oxford graduation students. Group/mob mentality starts kicking in. There should be a better way of dealing with those coming and of integrating them in society, even as they are waiting for the result of their applications.

'Moral integrity' is the wrong phrase to be using. It is a measure of how someone lives up to their own rules of conduct.

In Islamic countries of North Africa and the middle east, the rules of conduct require that men beat their wives if their wives fail to, eg, get the cooking down adequately on time, have sex often enough, don't produce enough boy babies, and so on. And the men achieve moral integrity by doing so.

No women do not have equality or perfect safety here. But to compare that to the statutory lower value of women in the cultures these migrants are coming from is naive and disingenuous at best.

Their culture is different. Their values are differnt. And unless you want your daughters and granddaughters locked back into sexual slavery forever, we need to ensure that here, it is our values that remain dominant. But I've derailed this thread enough, probably, you can look at the Cologne threads in the 'In the news' section if you want to.

There is zero question that some of the ways in which women are treated in the Middle East by some people - legally, religiously, whatever - are heinous, but tbh I think you have got an ignorant view of everyday life for many people in Islamic countries.

If you think that sort of behaviour is lauded by the majority of Middle Eastern men then you have been misinformed.

I realise I am not going to stop you being a racist so I shall bow out now.

And unless you want your daughters and granddaughters locked back into sexual slavery forever, we need to ensure that here, it is our values that remain dominant

This is exactly the kind of fear mongering, hyperbolic crap I've been talking about, most likely fueled by an unhealthy interest in Failbook and a subscription to the The Daily Fail.

We are in no danger of our culture and social norms being anything other dominant. Ethnic minorities are a minority. A minority of that minority may want Shari'a law, they may want women subjugated, most do not. Most just want to rebuild their lives and be left alone.

I dare say there are more british men who would applaud the removal of women's rights than there are muslim men who would do so, purely because there are more british men, ergo more british, male misogynists.

You do realise the people fleeing here are fleeing from Shari'a and sexual slavery don't you?

Indeed. How many Muslims already live in Europe?

I do wish some of you would find a dictionary. Where have I made any reference to the colour of anyone's skin or indeed any other inheritable physical characteristic beyond of their control?

What I am objecting to is cultural practice. Socialisation. Which can be overcome, in time, if it's acknowledged to be there and a problem.

And what people are saying is that you are making the problem much bigger than it actually is.

Have you lost your dictionary?

It is acknowledged that it is a problem, that is what feminism is all about. However it is acknowledged that it is a problem across all social, ethnic and religious groups.

Sexual violence against women is not inherent to one culture or religion.