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To think if you've escaped a war zone, have shelter and food a wristband is no hardship

242 replies

Lj17lj · 25/01/2016 08:32

I might get slammed but I really don't see the issue. I've went on very expensive holidays and festivals and have to wear a wrist band for weeks on end, its fine. When I go to the steam room in local gym I have to wear a band.

I really can't see the issue. It's not the same as forcing a tattoo on someone.

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emilybohemia · 26/01/2016 23:42

I agree Gruntled. The people suffer so much, regardless of their sex.

emilybohemia · 26/01/2016 23:44

Itwill, there are some very strange, ignorant and cold hearted views enjoying popularity at the moment, another being that they should stay and fight.

LoisWilkersonsLastNerve · 26/01/2016 23:45

Why hasn't this been zapped? Hmm

IPityThePontipines · 27/01/2016 00:16

I have a relative living in Syria. They can't escape.

I'm pretty sure she's too scared to go outside. She needs her husband to stand for hours queuing to try and get basics like food and oil.

Her husband does this, even though he has been beaten and robbed by regime groups previously and on one occasion, was held by the regime for 6 weeks, while she did not know if he was alive or dead.

I keep hearing about women "being treated like cattle", by know alls on threads like these, yet there are countless stories of men in Syria doing anything they can to protect their families. I'm pretty sure that many other men across the Middle East would do the same.

There's not to say there's no misogyny there, there is as there is worldwide, it just manifests itself in different ways. But the persistent claim that an entire ethnic group don't value women whatsoever is nonsense.

Btw, I'm really pleased about the sensible posts on this thread, particularly those about the historical precedents of othering behaviour.

Monty27 · 27/01/2016 00:23

One needs to report it Lois

emilybohemia · 27/01/2016 00:24

How awful Ipity. Are they in a siege area?

The othering seems to be in full force with the stories about countries wanting to take the valuables of refugees and the way they have been treated in Eastern European countries. I am scared of what is already happening to people that we don't know about. People have been disappearing in Bulgaria and they won't let volunteers or media near.

HelenaDove · 27/01/2016 00:29

IPity i am very sorry to hear that.

IPityThePontipines · 27/01/2016 00:34

Emily - they are in a regime-held area. It is like a massive prison, with check points everywhere. Her biggest fear currently is that her eldest son will be taken to fight for the regime, even though he is only 12.

She said once that living there is like waiting to die. That was over three years ago now.

Emily - I meant to say I while ago, that I really appreciate your posts, here and elsewhere, thank you Flowers

Lweji · 27/01/2016 00:35

Lois MNHQ are supposed to be watching it...

emilybohemia · 27/01/2016 00:45

That's so sad Ipity. I don't what to say.

and thanks, I appreciate yours too, glad not everyone thinks I'm a nutcase xxx

PausingFlatly · 27/01/2016 01:03

Oh heavens, IPity, I'm so sorry to hear that. My thoughts are with you.

ItWillWash · 27/01/2016 07:11

I'm sorry to hear about your family IPity, I hope they stay safe until this over or find a safe way out.

I don't think this thread should be zapped. Yes it was goady and there are some horrible and often frightening assumptions on it, but there are many sensible posters too, something you don't see often on FailBook, news comments sections when refugees are mentioned.

If just one person questions their xenophobic beliefs or decides to educate themselves because of this thread, surely that is worth it?

RJnomore1 · 27/01/2016 08:01

Just catching up with this. If I was a young man or the mother of a young man I'd want them out of there. I wouldn't wNt my son brutalised, brainwashed and forced to kill for an ideology I didn't support. And tbh it's impossible to work out who the good guys are supposed to be among the various factions.

I haven't heard about people vanishing in Bulgaria. I'll look that up.

As the refugee council said, these are ordinary people who have experienced extraordinary events. It makes me sick to the stomach that people can sit on their couches and pontificate about them the way some do.

LoisWilkersonsLastNerve · 27/01/2016 08:52

lweji Fair enough.

Atenco · 27/01/2016 11:42

I don't think this thread should be zapped. Yes it was goady and there are some horrible and often frightening assumptions on it, but there are many sensible posters too

There have unfortunately been some very nasty threads on mumsnet recently, but the kind and thoughtful posters seem to have outnumbered the unpleasant ones in this thread.

LoisWilkersonsLastNerve · 27/01/2016 16:26

I hadn't thought about it like that to be honest. I just don't like to indulge the gf's but that's my issue.

DG2016 · 28/01/2016 02:43

EU statistics for those interested

"Where do they come from?

Citizens of 149 countries sought asylum for the first time in the EU in the third quarter of 2015. Syrians, Afghanis and Iraqis were the top 3 citizenships of asylum seekers, lodging around 138 000, 56 700 and 44 400 applications respectively (Table 1).

Syrians (98 000 more applicants compared to the third quarter of 2014) added most to the overall increase in first time asylum applicants in absolute terms, followed by Afghanis (46 700 more) and Iraqis (40 400 more) (Figure 2, Table 1).

Asylum applicants from Iraq (11 times more) recorded the most substantial relative increase in the EU in the third quarter of 2015 compared to the same quarter of 2014 followed by Albanians (nearly 8 times more), Afghanis (almost 6 times more), Pakistanis (4 times more) and Syrians (3 times more) (Figure 3, Table 1).

Of the 138 000 Syrians who applied for the first time for asylum in the EU in the third quarter of 2015, more than three quarters were registered in three Member States: Germany (53 100), Hungary (35 800) and Sweden (18 100). Of the 56 700 Afghanis seeking asylum protection for the first time in the EU during the third quarter of 2015, half (27 600) applied in Hungary, while 85% of the 26 500 Albanians applied in Germany (22 400). Syrians were the main citizenship of asylum seekers in 11 EU Member States (Table 4, Table 5).

Main destination countries

The highest number of first time asylum applicants in the third quarter of 2015 was registered in Germany and Hungary (both with slightly over 108 000 applicants, or 26% each of total applicants in the EU Member States), followed by Sweden (42 500, or 10%), Italy (28 400, or 7%) and Austria (27 600, or 7%). These 5 Member States together account for more than 75% of all first time applicants in the EU-28 (Table 2).

Trends in number of asylum applicants vary from country to country in the third quarter of 2015. Hungary with nearly 100 000 more first time asylum applicants saw its number of asylum seekers jumping notably by 13 times compared to the same quarter of 2014, while Finland recorded 15 times more asylum seekers (or 15 100 more).

Germany (58 400 applicants more) continued to record increasing numbers of asylum applicants, while Austria (20 300 more applicants, or 4 times more) was the country with the third largest absolute and relative increase in the number of asylum seekers in the EU in the third quarter of 2015 (Figures 4 and 5).

Decisions on asylum applications

135 200 first instance decisions[3]) were made by the national authorities of EU Member States during the third quarter of 2015. Among them, almost half were positive (i.e. granting a type of protection status) (Table 6).

Germany, France, Italy and Sweden issued the most total first instance decisions[4] during the third quarter of 2015 (54 300, 19 700, 19 600 and 11 400 respectively) (Figure 7. Table 6).

Most decisions were issued to Syrians (33 100) and Albanians (17 300), followed by Eritreans (6 700), Iraqis (5 800), and Kosovans (5 200) (Table 7).

Syrians have received by far the highest number of protection statuses in the EU Member States, including protection based on national legislations (32 400 positive first instance decisions, or 98% rate of recognition[5]), followed by Eritreans (5 900, or 87%), Iraqis (5 100, or 88%) and Afghanis (2 700, or 70%).

Of the 17 300 first instance decisions issued to Albanians only 200 were positive (or 1% rate of recognition), while of the 5 200 issued to Kosovans only 200 were positive (or 4% respectively) (Figure 6, Table 7)."
ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_quarterly_report

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