To think that this is the end of women's athletics?

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And women's international sport generally?

Transgender competitors will be allowed to compete as the gender of their choosing pre-operatively and after just one year of hormone treatment.

I would be interested in fallon fox hand span, just measured mine and DPs and his hand engulfs mine without much height difference. He placed his hands around my forearms and can completely encircle whereas my hand gets around 2/3rd of my own forearm. No testosterone level decrease would change the bone structure of DPs hands which would give a huge advantage in the wrestling part of MMA against a woman.

They'll have to make the Olympics like the Paralympics then with subcategories according to body type/sex. It's almost like making it as if cis women have a disability.

bluebolt interesting.... although I can't do that test, I'm 100% woman but I have man hands. Same size as my dp and bigger than my dad's.

I am waiting for 'Caitlyn' Jenner to get back into track in a reality TV event that will generate millions of dollars, with the athletes who are actually women functioning as props.

A good deal of women's track and field world records date from the 1980s and were set by Flo-Jo and drug-assisted East Germans. For thirty years the likes of Merlene Ottey, Gail Devers, Christine Ohuruoghu and Shelley-Anne Fraser haven't been able to get anywhere near any of those records. And now they're expected to compete against men who happen to "feel" like women?

I would like to make a comment about the word 'cis', which has been used a couple of times here.

It is pandering to the Trans agenda to use it. We need to avoid using it and reject i when applied to us.

Do we have to partially embrace this shit and have a cis women movement to counteract the trans movement?

Epic cross post there sorry

We need to call it a women's movement -- not a 'cis' women's movement.

We are not 'cis' women. We are biologically women, not women who have always 'felt like women'.

I agree with math. Sorry, I am calling out cis every time I hear it from now on. If it's used about biological women as a class then it is being used about me and its not acceptable.

the x posting continues..

I do apologise for what I'm About to say but I tend to say away from trans threads on here and don't know if this is hugely offence.

Why on earth do I now have to refer to myself as a cis woman? Aren't I just a woman? I've seem it pop up on this thread and I'm really not getting it.

Again sorry if that's offensive. Obviously I will ask for my post to be deleted if I'm told I'm out of order but I genuinely don't understand this.

epic cross posting I see

Time to stop apologising for standing up and stating who we are and who we always have been until a group of men found it served their purposes to give us another label.

You don't have to refer to yourself or let anyone else refer to you as cis, frikadela. I suggest reporting to mumsnet for misgendering if someone does so.

Bothered @ 'feminine penis'.

And YY to burying 'cis'.

Declaring yourself transgender makes as much sense as someone with 2 chromosome 21s declaring themselves "transDowns-Syndrome".

The Rachel Dolezal debacle actually made more sense, as race isn't evident in your chromosomes. Sex is. Dara O'Briain said "Racism is way better than astrology!" and both make much more logical ways to divide people than stereotypes of gender.

Declaring yourself transgender makes as much sense as someone with 2 chromosome 21s declaring themselves "transDowns-Syndrome".

The Rachel Dolezal debacle actually made more sense, as race isn't evident in your chromosomes. Sex is. Dara O'Briain said "Racism is way better than astrology!" and both make much more logical ways to divide people than stereotypes of gender.

The Rachel Dolezal debacle actually made more sense, as race isn't evident in your chromosomes.

She actually made a semi-reasonable of explaining herself in terms of culture, later.

Not completely persuasive (of course!) but far more sensible than I was expecting.

Agree that "cis" is extremely insidious - it implies that there is no difference between trans women and women, so we need a prefix for everyone to be clear.

Fuck that.

Update: I now have one like for my Olympic post. Still no replies from the messaging and nothing about Fallon Fox

But it seems everyone really really likes the photo of me and Vinnie Jones. Fuckers. I'm going to stick my head in the oven.

Wimbledon? Extra upper body strength useful there.

Swimming?

It will be recorded as the women's world record, Maryz.

I'm sure if the people who ran the East German sports (and others) back in the day are still around, they're annoyed they were just operating in the wrong times. Now they could cheat openly and say their lads were lassies.

I really don't see the Rachel Dolezal situation as being any different to being transgender. Unless you think she's a liar, and no one is allowed to infer that about any individual trans person, so why would you?