To want p&c spaces to be renamed "easy access" spaces?

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This has been triggered by other threads but also by life events as a person with disabilities and reduced mobility who doesn't fit blue badge criteria.

We all know and love the p&c warriors and I have had the misfortune to be accosted by them in carparks and have had photos of my car plastered on Facebook parking pages as I will use these spaces if they are close to the shops to alleviate fatigue and pain.

Aibu to think there must be a large amount of people like me or with temporary issues like a broken leg or recovering from surgery who could benefit from the rebrand?

Yes the blue badge criteria needs to change

YanBu but it would become like disabled toilet issue..everyone would use the spaces and then you'd never get one.

sooosie need or like? The two are very different!

They would be misused, it won't work.

lurked, I'm not missing your sarcasm, I can assure you. You clearly think your exaggerations about the type of products parents who use these spaces buy, demonstrate what a special snowflake you think they are. You're repeated attempts at I'm assuming hilarity are just wrong though. I'm pointing out that the spaces are aimed at families and are across the breadth of retailers. Families overindex on safe, everyday products and brands. They want them in their stores because they buy alot of it and regularly.
For everyone demanding a space for them - contact the retailers customer service and suggest it. If they think the idea is workable and would grow their sales and profit, they will do it. The fact none have suggests they are perfectly happy with the current options - bluebadge spaces for those approved, parent bays for families, drop off spaces for those struggling and an entire car park choice for everyone.

Storesare obliged to make reasonable adjustments for everyone who is disabled. Parking in a p and c space if you have a requirement for width and closeness to store is a reasonable adjustment even without a blue badge.

I think people without children should be happy to have as many wider spaces as possible for people with children to park in as once they're older, they tend to open the doors themselves and aren't as careful as adults about clunking the door into the car next door if its too close.

My local Morrison's has just redone its carpark and made one floor all ridiculously wide spaces which I think is a good idea, anyone needing more space for whatever reason can work there and none are marked out for any particular group.

I would scrap all special parking spaces, and make all regular bays bigger. I sometimes struggle in normal bays if there are large vehicles either side. Supermarket car parks are rarely full, I suspect that here in scotland that is maybe because we don't have outdated Sunday trading laws. All big stores are open 24/7, many people shopping at 9am or 9pm on a Sunday. No mad dash to get the shopping done.

Car parks are usually only half full.

That's what our Morrisons is doing I think. Much better and more efficient use of space. No rows andbrows of empty disabled spaces waiting when the carpark is full or arguments about who can park in the p & c spaces.

They do still have a couple of disabled ones left by the doors which I presume they have to?

A couple of disabled spaces?

Where are these rows of empty disabled spaces? We can rarely get one here even when there are rows

They've got rid of them, as i said, and made all the rest of the spaces extra wide - so everybody is easily accommodated in this carpark and you'd easily be able to find a suitable space.

Disabled spaces should not be included in any discussion about p and c/accessible spaces. They are a completely seperate entity which are rightly protected by law.

But my local tesvo still has rows of empty disabled spaces, whenever I go there at any time of day or night (it's 24 hours), as are the p&c spaces in the evening, which seems like a very inefficient use of space to me.

I'm minded to say you should only get a sticker for those P&C spaces if you have more than one non-walking child or if you have mobility issues that make it difficult for you to carry your child.

When my twins were little I only ever shopped at our local Tesco where there was a covered P&C parking area with double-seat trolleys right next to it. Otherwise the logistics of getting two non-walking babies out of the car and into the shop without them getting rained on or without having to leave one or both locked in the car while you search for a trolley were just impossible.

No rows of empty disabled spaces where I live. They're usually taken up by selfish cunts non blue badge holders. It always makes me smile when people say there's too many disabled spaces, or they're always empty, because it's simply not true and follow you were a blue badge holder you'd soon find that out.

It makes me laugh how people say that they need P&C spaces otherwise they can't get their children out of the car. So they never go to a multi-story car park, or the hospital, or a council run car park, or the cinema, or a restaurant or all the other places where there are no P&C spaces then?

it IS true where I live, I can assure you. Perhaps there just aren't as many registered disabled people in SE London but the disabled parking is never full when I have been to any of the supermarkets near here (varying times of day). Unlike the C&P spaces which are a free for all. Which is why unlike Morrison's policy of making all spaces much wider, losing some spaces ASA result, but having a much more efficient use of space overall becasue all spaces are suitable for all. They keep a few traditional disabled spaces near the door for those with severe disabilities which aren't abused as everyone else can easily park. Seems like a good solution to me. People with children just need wide spaces, doesnt matter where they are.

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Disabled parking should never be full, there should always be more spaces than predicted need because for disabled people the availability of a space can really be the difference between getting out the house or not.

For parents (without disabilities being a factor) they are handy if free but it is more than possible to cope without them with a bit of planning.

Ds is 6, isn't entitled to a blue badge but is limited to how far he can walk so uses a sn buggy and can't get himself in and out of the car without being lifted in. If a p and c space is free great if not tnough I still cope, I don't bash other cars but I manage. I'm not some sort of special person just someone who adapts to how things are and doesn't feel the need to rely on a space which is only available in a ring amount of car parks.

fairy I don't often need a trolley to go around the cinema so I have my pram with me.

They should definitely not be only spaces with joint access for all parents and all people with disabilities. Having a baby no way compares to needing a blue badge. Am very much not in favour of that idea at all.

Exactly fanjo

I'm not in favour of it either Fanjo. There's far more parents than disabled people. I'd never get a space so I'd never be able to go out. Not only that it surely goes against the Equality Act 2010?

I agree there needs to be some protected spaces for blue badge holders

The best solution would be to keep designated disabled parking spaces near the front of the store and for the rest of the spaces to be wide enough to get children out and for people who may have difficulty in walking a or getting out of the car.

This won't happen though will it.

That is exactly what has happened in our local Morrisons.