To want p&c spaces to be renamed "easy access" spaces?

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This has been triggered by other threads but also by life events as a person with disabilities and reduced mobility who doesn't fit blue badge criteria.

We all know and love the p&c warriors and I have had the misfortune to be accosted by them in carparks and have had photos of my car plastered on Facebook parking pages as I will use these spaces if they are close to the shops to alleviate fatigue and pain.

Aibu to think there must be a large amount of people like me or with temporary issues like a broken leg or recovering from surgery who could benefit from the rebrand?

Yes and cars and car seats are now massively safer than they were when 'we were kids'. Should we revert back to tin cans on wheels with moses baskets in the boot so as not to be seen as precious?

When I was pregnant on three occasions I was unable to get back into my car because some selfish sod had parked too close. One of those I stood in the rain for half an hour waiting for him to return - so in that case easy access spaces would've been a lifesaver.

Or spaces need to be made suitable for cars now.

Giles, the retailers don't want the families to "manage", they want them to feel welcome and have a convenient and positive experience. The same reason they offer specific family promotions or merchandise products in a particular way. It's their land and they allocate the spaces as required for their business. It's bizarre at how precious Mn gets over it on the whole. It's not the parents fault for using a convenience offered to them.

We have 2 boosters and a humongous sn car seat in the back of a citreon xsara picasso

I think all car park spaces should be a bit bigger to accommodate the fact that cars are being made bigger. Disabled spaces should be sacrosanct, parent and child spaces should be 'wider access spaces' at the back of the car park.

of course of they are there they should he used.

the issue isnt them being used.

it's more the competition that gets ridiculous. I dont give a shit who uses the spaces. I don't bother with them.in order to save them.fir those who have bigger cars and more children etc.

however on MN it seems to he one massive competition over who deserves the spaces more.

truth is they are a recent development in the scheme of things and people did manage without them before.

but then I do try my best to not park like a dick. if i spot cat seats in.a car I'll make sure I don't park ridicusly close. ( I don't do that anyway though)

I think.tbe problem.is more a general lack of care amongst people rather than who is using a space that chances are you wouldn't have access to anyway due to the fact there's only a few of them.co pared to the hundreds that will go shopping in a day.

hazy why should they be at the back? Why not exactly where they are - at the front? Allowing families easy access to the store, convenient location and a decent space to meet their needs.

Lurked spot on - 3 kids, 4x4 - manage perfectly well in normal spaces

I don't get this inability to park at all

I think that maybe of the were at the back, then those who use them cos they are being lazy and don't even have kids with them, would be less tempted to use them.and ergo they would be more available fir those who did need them.to manoeuvre children out the cafe

aworld you see I don't buy that excuse. Cos I drive a big, v wide car, and can actually manage just fine. Even in real snide arsed spaces, they're always wider than my car. I don't buy the 'keep them safe' crap either. You know, some people don't even have cars, and regularly make it all the way from bus stops or down roads before crossing car parks. And none of them find it hard or a health hazard. Besides, if space is an issue I tend to find there's nearly always tons at the far end of car park, or even 5 minutes walk away.

thefamily but on trains etc they don't have specified 'pregnant' seats, where the elderly/ infirm etc are meant to prioritise the needs of parents. P&C is purely about pandering to the precious who bring in the money.

giles exactly. Calling them p&c just means the precious feel justified in objecting to more needy people using them. I also think there are more elderly people alone with genuine reasons to struggle, than the odd parent (of say newborn triplets) that might genuinely need them.

Giles, of course people managed before and would again but they don't need to. It's a lovely convenient thing to make their lives easier. Same as putting sandwiches and till concessions at the very front of the store to let busy workers dash in and out for lunch. And same as the basket only tills so smaller basket shoppers don't have to queue behind a family shopper with a full trolley.
The mn competition about who is more deserving is as redundant as it is ridiculous - the retailers have already made their decision based on their business models and it has nothing to do with "deserving" and all to do with enticement and rewarding.

And tbh even with extra space people still park. like dick heads.

this week alone I've seen two people parked in a P&c ,and a disabled spot and still parked over the lines

I think if they were at the back you would get those who actually need the extra width using them and not parents of healthy nt 10 year olds.

lurked so what? They are a business. Why shouldn't they pander to the high spend shoppers that meet their target demographic? That's business. You don't hear BA saying "fuck frequent flyers, they can sit in the economy class facilities"

vest you miss the point. If they were easy access spaces, then parents who did have genuine reasons like you could still use them. But in addition, so could all the other people whose need is equal or even greater to your own was.

honk, someone will always abuse a convenience designed for someone else. We don't withdraw disabled blue badge parking just because some sickness borrow their relatives car expressly to use the badge illegally.

But it's not to make.life easier is it. not in a "oh how hard they must have it let's be nice way" it's all about getting you to spend money.

basket only tills are hardly ever open IME it's the self service one these days.

the queues wouldn't he massive at all if there were actually staff on the tills. having a check.out open isnt "nice" it's the whole point of the shop. to enable you to buy stuff and spend money.

think about it,.the needs of babies and many elderly people are exactly the same.

nappies.
soft food
safety products
lidded cups etc.

there are usually at least two aisles dedicated to nappies and wipes and jars of baby food and a million different tips of cup and dummy and cutlery and storage pots.

fir the adult equivalent you have to traipse around the store.

people spend a ton. on baby stuff. fact.

lurked well said

how perhaps you need to get yourself a clue. Some people (myself included) have a limit to the length of time they are able to walk for, me it's about 30-40mins or thereabouts. So roughly the time it takes to do my shopping. My local supermarket carpark is huge, and when I say huge I'm talking HUGE. To then be faced with walking to the back of the carpark fills me with dread, I wouldn't be able to do it in all honesty and I have been known to go home if I can't Park near enough. These sort of things cause people to not want to leave their homes and in turn create massive mental health issues that could probably be alleviated with a bit of consideration from others.

lurked, it's not about need! It's about who the business owner wants to encourage to spend more. Frequent rail travellers get upgraded to traveller clubs and get first class weekend travel and car parking right at the front of the car park. They don't need it more that an elderly or disabled traveller but they still get it. Should they refuse it??

The point of them being rebrand would be to prevent people getting abuse hurled at them when they've actually used them for genuine reasons. Parents and the disabled alike can use them.

Disabled people can get discounted rail travel...there is a special ticket you can get. Have a Google.

As a user of these spaces what is most important to me is that I get one not where it is. Putting them at the back will make that more likely.

mydarlin Many thanks for illustrating my point about p&c spaces and the type of person who believes them essential.

As a user of these spaces the fact they are at the front is why I use them. I need the space to get in and out and I need the proximity due to my health issues.

Giles - but that's EXACTLY why they do it. All businesses try and attract and retain various customer groups. That's business. Why is that such an issue in this area.
dramatic it's not up to you to decide the hierarchy of needs for parking. It's the retailers. And they have decided. Consideration is irrelevant - customers are entitled to use the facilities targeted at them

lurked well good for you, you clearly are a much more competent person than I.

My safety comment was not aimed at walking across a car park. It was aimed at putting my child into their buggy in front of my vehicle were other cars are driving and reversing. Something I don't think is safe when I'm trying to get the other two out of the car as well. A person catching a bus doesn't usually have to stand in the road with his or her three children and buggy.

And as there are no legal restrictions placed on them I will continue to use them and encourage others to do so