To want p&c spaces to be renamed "easy access" spaces?

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This has been triggered by other threads but also by life events as a person with disabilities and reduced mobility who doesn't fit blue badge criteria.

We all know and love the p&c warriors and I have had the misfortune to be accosted by them in carparks and have had photos of my car plastered on Facebook parking pages as I will use these spaces if they are close to the shops to alleviate fatigue and pain.

Aibu to think there must be a large amount of people like me or with temporary issues like a broken leg or recovering from surgery who could benefit from the rebrand?

Starbores you were the one who started the 'competition' about 2 babies being harder to carry than a 6 year old.

Haddock I really can't be bothered to go back through this thread and copy and paste replies. It's a waste of time we have all given our opinion.

Your all free to park wherever you want, I'm free to pass comment if I so wish.

I will still continue to put my childrens safety before making someone's day easier with regards to getting in and out of their car. I make no apologies for that.

I'm bowing out now as I've said my views and read everyone else's.

If you accuse others of saying things when it was you that said them, it will be spotted.

Haddock somebody made a comment on carrying a baby, then somebody else said it's much easier to carry a baby then a six year old, then I said I find it harder carrying 2 wriggly babies than a 6 year old.

So get your facts straight before you start calling me a liar.

You really are a dog with a bone. Understand this, none of your posts will make me change my view. Sirzy and hazey have raised interesting and valid points. You have not.

Hiding this thread now as you and lurking are spoiling for an argument. There's a thread just started in aibu about babies in the disabled carriage on trains, looks right up your street

I saw a disabled couple today park in a P&C space despite there being disabled spaces available that where at least as near if not nearer to the store.
Did strike me as weird tbh, and a bit thoughtless. Maybe they just didn't realise.

Actually you said something that had a different tone which is why so many people picked up on it. But have a go at me if you want. It won't make you right or make your attitude seem any more reasonable. If you are lucky you will never have to find out how it is for some people.

How - did the couple have a bb?

Perhaps the solution is for ALL parking spaces in supermarkets to be bigger? Seems to me that the spaces are inadequate for the size of most modern cars. I would rather have fewer but larger spaces.

star I said I have and will use p&c when I am with someone who has a disability/ mobility issues. You called me a selfish tosser and said if I did it near you then you would glare and have a go at me.

But I'm being unreasonable and spoiling for a fight?

As to the bizarre logic about how do you decide which disabled person is more entitled to a p&c over another, the same could apply to parents using p&c.

Yes they got it out and put it in the windscreen.
I'm not trying to make any kind of point, just thought it a bit odd. But, and not meaning to make any assumptions here, they did look very very elderly so I think maybe they just didn't realise. I'm sure they didn't have P&C spaces back in their day

Fanjo I don't think anyone is objecting to using a P&C space for an older child with disabilities. As others have pointed out P&C spaces are for child safety.

IMO it needs to be enforced that they are for parents with children! Otherwise anyone with a sore ankle or bad back will feel they are entitled to use P&C for convenience.

Many clip car seats onto trolley or attach to pram chassis if baby is sleeping. Even if not removing car-seat you need to get wriggly child through small gap then safely strapped into pram/buggy. Doing so safely in a tight space with people reversing/parking into spaces around you is difficult. Many idiots speed in car-parks. Getting straight from car to walkway with small children is a priority especially if you have several!

Maybe the answer is to keep the P&C spaces (protected for parents only) but have additional 'Priority spaces' for people with mobility issues, elderly, pregnant etc.

I find it hard to believe you cannot get a BB if you really need one. Isn't there an assessment to see if you meet criteria?
If you can't wb without crutches and need a turntable to transfer surely that qualifies for BB?

It's a shame UK culture doesn't have more respect for parents. Even designated P&C spaces are grabbed by others who feel their 'need' for the space overrides the group it was intended for!

In other countries people treat families with respect... doors are held open, people rush to assist with prams on steps, help on public transport, make way in lifts and queues etc.
Here pushchairs and prams seem to be viewed as a nuisance. People barge past, push in, glare if you get in their way! If everyone slowed down and helped more it would be a much nicer place to live.

I find it hard to believe you cannot get a BB if you really need one. Isn't there an assessment to see if you meet criteria?
I gave an example of !h friend earlier, her son has been refused a bb twice, I have helped her with the applications. He has severe learning disabilities. Believe it to be true or not, but people struggle, a lot , and often the support is not out there.

Stop with the bemoaning of how cruel and unwelcome the world is for those with children - I have 3 children, I work with children, I bloody love children, but I don't love it when some parents act as though having children gives them a god given right to moan about spaces on buses and glare at people who park in p+c spaces without children.

Yes we should be kind a d have respect for others, and try to be thoughtful to those who struggle - whoever they are, my 8 and 9 year old seem to have grasped this, I don't think it is hard!

It isn't people with children who aren't being respected here.

zinni atm I do qualify for a BB, but as has been repeated time and time and time again the criteria has changed and many, many disabled people are losing their badges and those who would've qualified aren't getting them. If I loose mine my needs won't change so I make no apology for the fact that I will get DH, or whoever, to park in a P&C space.

I agree, sirzy, it's not the people with children (although that's most of us) are being disrespected on this thread.

I think those with limited mobility should have the spaces. I don't think you really need them as a parent.

Having read some of the comments I do think p and c spaces are being lazy. What would people who think these are essential do if they had to go to the supermarket with no car?

It isn't people with children who aren't being respected here

I disagree. People are saying you should use P&C spaces for a sprained ankle and other trivial reasons!

The spaces are designated for parents with young children, for clear reasons discussed upthread.

It's a shame there aren't more P&C spaces... but in a 'normal' car-park yes you manage in a tight space, same as people with disabilities have to manage. You say you 'need' to take up a P&C space yet presumably you manage fine elsewhere?

You are using resources designated to another group. It's understandable that group get annoyed and publicly shame you for it. Would you take up a BB space (without a BB) just because you feel your need is greater than BB holders? Yet parents are judged to not need extra space, they should manage without! Until fines are introduced, people will continue to abuse P&C spaces.

I give a parent with a young child the same help/extra consideration I would offer to someone with a disability or who is elderly or heavily pregnant. Eg holding doors, helping with pram on steps, offering seat on a bus or train, inviting them go first in a queue, retrieving a runaway toddler etc. Yet in UK it seems the norm is to tut, glare, judge and push past new parents (for being slow, needing more space etc). What a great society to live in

Please don't compare blue badge spaces to parent and child. One is essential for people to even get out the house, the other is a nice convenience when one is available.

We use them if there is one available, having a 12 day old and a 15 month old it is easier to have the extra space!
But it's not the end of the world if there isn't any, although It would help if people didn't Park like idiots when parking in normal spaces!

Anyone who compares uses a P&C space to a BB space just shows themselves to be a complete fucwit.

A BB space and a P&C space is not comparable. A child is a choice a disability is not.

I am practically housebound now. I am almost 45 years old and can not leave my house unless I am accompanied by another person. Unless I have extra room around my car it is impossible for me to get out of it.

I am incredibly polite and very considerate. I used to hold doors, I don't now because I can't, I have plenty let go on me often by parents. I don't let parents go in front of me in a queue, I'm not sure (as I am one myself) why they would need to. I do tut and glare when parents come forcefully towards me with their prays/pushchairs, seeing I am on crutches and can hardly walk, but expect me to dive out of the way!

People with young children are not the only ones who have to worry about safety in car parks. Older children and adults can also be vulnerable and unsafe and they are harder to keep safe because of their size. Ds has to wear a harness because he doesn't understand what would happen and because of unpredictable behaviour. He will have the same problems as an adult.
Before anyone decides to have words with someone about a p and c space they should think carefully about the upset they may cause. Making someone's hard day even harder is as bad as those parking in the spaces because they don't give a shit.

For safety I get in footwell at back, open door a small amount, carry both little ones out and then eldest gets out. Same in reverse. I don't see why people need to leave children in trolleys or buggies.

Amazing how some parents expect 'respect' while showing none for anyone else. It is that kind of attitude that demonstrates why so many people object to these spaces. They seem to give some selfish parents the idea that they trump everyone else when it comes to convenience and safety, including the elderly or unwell. A nice concession has been turned into a necessity by some ridiculously entitled people who cannot see any kind of bigger scenario.

No not a necessity for parents (in most cases), but nor are they a necessity for people without a BB, who presumably manage in 'normal' spaces the rest of the time. Unless the BB system is very corrupt, I find it hard to believe they will deny you a BB if you can't use a normal parking space.

When I was on crutches I got DH to drop me at the supermarket entrance while he parked, if there were no spaces near the door. I waited on a bench for a few mins. No great hardship. Should I have taken a P&C space when it was possible to manage without? Just because I had crutches? Where does it stop, should I use a P&C space because I'm feeling tired, or have a sore foot, or have my elderly aunt in the car who is a bit frail? Should I have used them when I was anaemic and got dizzy easily?

There is a reason they are called P&C spaces not easy-access spaces.