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To wonder if Gofundme is the new thing after a death?

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yankeecandle4 · 23/01/2016 09:52

Serious question.

Due to FB I have seen lots of Gofundme pages set up after the death of a loved one. Mostly (but not always) it has been after the death of a child and is in aid of funeral/headstone or fundraising for the condition that they person died from eg Children's Cancer Fund etc. Completely understandable.

However of late I have seen them with no apparent cause/purpose. This morning there was one "Please keep donations coming in because she doesn't have X in her life anymore" X was not in any way responsible for her upkeep (he was a teen), so I am a bit perplexed at how/why monetary donations are necessary or even desirable.

This is not a thread about grief, but more an etiquette question. Is this now a "thing" to give money to a person when they have lost a loved one, for no apparent reason?

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WheelieMe · 23/01/2016 14:08

GoFundMe take a proportion for their fees (and possibly more is taken if people pay via PayPal?) and I believe the money goes to GoFundMe until someone requests a withdrawal

Babyroobs · 23/01/2016 14:23

I work on a cancer ward and we have had a few young parents die recently. Almost every family has had one of thee pages set up to help pay for the funeral and help the deceased's kids/ spouse afterwards. The last thing you need to be worried about after a bereavement is money and funerals can cost thousands. I don't see a problem with it.

yankeecandle4 · 23/01/2016 14:43

Baby what would happen if the family have no funds for a funeral? Would the body be held until funds can be raised?

Just read that GFM take 5% of each donation.

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yankeecandle4 · 23/01/2016 14:47

Just want to say thank you to everyone who has shared their thoughts/experiences. This has been very informative for me. I must (thankfully) lead a sheltered life as I have never heard of anyone needing money for a bare funeral. The "death" GFM ones I have come across are usually requesting a specific item post death, such as a headstone.

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ItWillWash · 23/01/2016 15:03

I've known a few GoFundMe pages/local fundraising for people I know personally or were geographically close to me/friends of friends.

One was a friend whose cousin lost her 10yo son to cancer. His funeral cost £10k. Obviously this is high, funerals can be done for less than that, but would you explain to a grieving mother that she cannot have a horse drawn carriage to carry her sons body to his grave, to be buried in a personalised coffin because she wasn't given enough notice of his impending death to save 10K?

He was a very social little boy, the community around him stepped up without being asked by his parents or anyone else.

Another was for a college friend of mine, who was diagnosed with incurable cervix cancer, age 25. Friends set up a GoFundMe in her name, without her knowledge so that she could raise funds to complete her bucket list. Everything she did on her bucket list was publicised, she set up her own blog and made appearances on TV and radio shows not to raise more funds for herself but to raise awareness of cervical cancer and the importance of smear tests. She could have lived these special moments privately but instead chose to use her illness to help save others.

Another was for a little boy who died very suddenly in our local area. He was only 3 years old, he had not been ill. He was victim of a terrible, sudden accident. It made the news. People started asking how they could help. A friend of the family set up a GoFundme for his funeral costs and so that the parents did not have to think about going back to work. The parents did not even know about the fund until it had already been set up.

These are all worthy causes imo. If you don't like them, don't donate, but keep your opinions to yourself. Grieving families and their loved ones don't need to hear them.

megletthesecond · 23/01/2016 15:04

As it was mentioned earlier in the thread this should be the link to the petition campaigning for increased bereavement leave for parents. It was started over two years ago but looks like it's still open.

Flowers
yankeecandle4 · 23/01/2016 15:09

Thanks for that megle.

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thelouisee · 23/01/2016 15:11

Anyone who begrudges a bereaved parent receiving donated money to their child a dignified and special funeral is a twat. The parents won't get to see their child walk across the stage to collect their degree certificate, they won't get to see their child standing at the alter or celebrating any more birthdays. This is their final goodbye. How dare someone judge these parents for wanting a decent stone on their child's grave or a horse drawn carriage for their child's small coffin?!

Flowers to all those who have been through the pain of burying their children.

FedUpWithJudgementalPeople · 23/01/2016 15:37

Someone on my twitter has opened a gofundme to go travelling for a year Hmm

Apparently the anxiety of not knowing whether she will have enough money to go or not is absolutely crippling hence her turning to twitter.

Heart. Bleeds.

Stanky · 23/01/2016 16:12

I would only donate to people I knew personally, as there are a lot of scams out there.

MrsDeVere · 23/01/2016 18:28

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expatinscotland · 23/01/2016 20:16

'I found it very hard to open the account precisely because of some of the sentiments expressed on this thread.'

Fuck 'em. I was more than happy to give to the bench fund, as were so many others, and it was easy to do with JustGiving.

When I give someone money, if there's anything left over from what they are fundraising for, they are free to do whatever they wish with it. It's a gift.

hesterton · 23/01/2016 20:19

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AlpacaPicnic · 23/01/2016 20:46

I had absolutely no idea how much funerals cost until I helped a friend organise one a couple of years ago. The most basic coffin, the most basic service, cremation. It cost thousands. They didn't even have someone to hold the service, they did it themselves.

I can't imagine how awful it must be to arrange a funeral for a child and have to be mindful of every penny. I just can't.

MrsDevere, your comment about the funeral home that held a child's clothing to ransom - I've never felt so sickened by anything. You'd imagine this a funeral home would be staffed by compassionate people. How could they look at themselves? For the sake of £150?

Babyroobs · 23/01/2016 20:54

Yankee- In answer to your question, we have had some patients who's bodies have been left in our mortuary ( we have our own small mortuary) because family have not had the funds for a funeral. It doesn't happen very often but if does then the council generally pay for a basic funeral. On the odd occassion when the council won't pay the charity that I work for pays for the funeral.

MidniteScribbler · 23/01/2016 21:02

My big problem with these pages is that there is no regulation. I could set up a page with a photo of a child downloaded off the internet, try and get it to go viral and get donations which I could spend anyway I wanted. Look at the whole Dax saga. If they were done through a recognised charity, I would feel much more comfortable with them. I also don't like that money is taken off the top for the fund me pages, I'd rather all of my donation go to the person who needs it.

I have no issues with a whip around for a colleague or friend if they were in hardship. When a friend lost her house in a flood, the first thing I did was hand her an envelope with what I could afford. If I knew a friend was struggling to pay for their child's funeral I would just pay it and they could get it back to me when or if they could afford it in the future. But there is just something about these pages that rubs me the wrong way.

I think that whilst they started with good intentions, that it has become corrupted and now the genuine causes are getting lost amongst the crap. I had one girl on my facebook begging for weeks because she wanted to take her dog overseas for a dog show, and daily messages of 'have you donated yet?'. I think we're all getting a bit of charity burn-out - Gofundme, chuggers, constant advertisements making you feel guilty. Whereas one day people would pass the hat around church or the lunch room for those they knew, we're now expected to fund the hopes and dreams of random strangers across the globe. I see one now and I tend to just scroll past, whereas if all the 'fund my holiday/boobjob' ones weren't there, the genuine cases would probably not get lost among them.

MrsDeVere · 23/01/2016 21:13

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gabsdot45 · 23/01/2016 22:08

2 young people I know have died in the past couple of years, one suddenly, one of cancer. In both cases their families threw a benefit night to cover the funeral costs. The girl who had cancer attended hers as it was held before she died. It was a lot of fun actually and a chance for her to spend some time with her family and friends. It turned out to be the last time she was really well.
The other person died suddenly and left a young family. She didn't have any insurance so the benefit night was to raise money to help with the costs and also a chance for her family and friends to have a get together in her honour.
I think it's a nice idea. Dh and I are insured and our policy would cover burying a child but not everyone has this in place.

As for gofundme pages. Ugh! The latest one I saw was to give a couple money so that they can go to visit a county they used to live in. They have nothing to do with it, some random friend of theirs decided to do it. I predict they will be mortified when they find out.

yankeecandle4 · 23/01/2016 23:00

Admittedly I have an old fashioned view of giving charity, as in the left hand shouldn't know what the right has given. This is where I feel a church/social whip round is completely different from online crowdfunding. It is done quietly and is offered to the person quietly. You can give anonymously (although your paypal ID might show up?) but the sharing/tagging on FB asking if you've donated might make people feel under pressure . I would be absolutely affronted if someone set up a page on my behalf, putting out my circs in public. I would find it hard to accept money if I hadn't done anything (again this is where I feel a fundraising event is different) but realize and accept that this is just me.

Certainly a lot to think about on this thread. I'm horrified that a body can be held if there are no funds. I thought the state pay for a bare bones funeral in the case of no means. Very sad state of affairs Mrs DeVere regarding your daughter's clothes.

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Babyroobs · 23/01/2016 23:07

Yankee- The state will pay for a basic funeral if family cannot or there are no family or assets.

ChampaleSocialist · 23/01/2016 23:15

Reading half of then I should think the Nigerian princes are kicking themselves that they didnt think of it first.

expatinscotland · 24/01/2016 02:19

I'll never forget, the day before DD1 died, I went outside, and there was this woman, smoking and shivering, right outside the doors. Now of course, bad woman, smoking outside the doors! BAD. But I stopped to speak to her. She was in a right state, anyone could see that. I said, 'What's on?' That's all. And she spilled out. Her daughter, age 16 months, had had what they thought was a cold. She was in childcare, the parents were working. And so they had kept her off. And then the woman broke down. She had slept next to her daughter. And she'd woken, and her daughter was listless and unresponsive, and she had a rash. They rang 999, who responded quickly and brought her to hospital. But then the girl had died in resuss. She screamed then. 'She's dead! My daughter died!'

And I didn't know what to do. My own daughter was near death in ICU and she died the following day.

I just put my arms round her and talked to her, about her daughter, her name, how old she was. And she told me this and how hard it was to conceive her. Then I'll never forget, she apologised for not asking about why I was there. And so I told her my daughter was in ICU, and she was not to live. We sobbed in each other's arms. Then these two people, a man and a woman, in suits, walked up, with clipboards in their hands . And that woman gripped me, I'll never forget her grip on me. She said, 'It's the police. I know they need to speak to me. Don't leave me! Please! My partner has gone to get my mother. Please, don't leave me!' I'll never forget that. 'Please, don't leave me!'

And I could not and did not, until she saw her partner and her mother coming up, wailing.

I found out later, her daughter had died of meningitis. My mother and friends saw all their family outside, keening with grief.

I don't know how she organised or paid for her daughter's funeral. But if I had the mind to see a way to help her I'd have done it, however it was organised.

MidniteScribbler · 24/01/2016 09:27

expat, that made me tear up, and I am so glad you were there for that woman that night.

But I don't think it's necessarily relevant to the topic of the crowdfunding pages. If I'd have met that same woman outside of a hospital I'd have done everything I could to have helped her that night, just as you did, and your comfort would have been priceless to her. But I wouldn't necessarily expect to pay towards a funeral or funding to a child I did not know.

Ifrit · 24/01/2016 09:40

I'm in tears reading that expat. Nobody should ever have to die except peacefully at the end of a long life well lived Flowers

I've learned a lot about funeral costs from reading this thread and I'm appalled at much of it. Three days bereavement leave for a child!? Filling in forms at a time where I expect simply getting out of bed is a challenge!? And undertakers holding a child's clothes to ransom Angry

It all needs overhauling. Why can't forms be done automatically? When a person dies and the relevant agencies are notified, it should trigger automatic assessment of your eligibility to a funeral payment (and payments should cover the minimum cost of a funeral as I understand they currently fall short). Benefits should have a run on period, tax credits run on for eight weeks in the case of a child dying. It's not a great sum of money or a long length of time but it's better than it stopping overnight. All benefits should do this to make it easier for the family and give them some breathing space. In the case of a single person with no decendents then it would help recoup the funeral costs. And when it comes to notifying agencies there should be a 'tell us once' system so you only need to ring, say, the DWP and they will notify the local authority, tax credits, national insurance, etc.

Every funeral I've ever been to has had a whip round at the end "for the family" because people know funerals are expensive and those sandwiches at the club afterwards aren't free and the flowers cost money and income is affected and so on. People want to contribute and give what they can.