Do you know any misogynistic women?

[ovaryhill]

I've been reading a bit about this and wondered how common it is.
Has anyone had any experience of this?
I know at least one woman who behaves as if she hates other women and is very derogatory about women in general, agrees that wearing short skirts means you're asking for trouble kind of thing, sees other women as a threat and would prefer to work for men
Any opinions or experience?

I find that men are generally less trustworthy and more gossipy amongst their peer group. That's how they get on in their social network. Yet, they'll always pat the guy they've roundly gossiped about on the back and have a pint with them. Perhaps no different from women.

LMAO at the men at the school gates. Where do you live? Plenty of men collect their children and engage in social contacts with other parents, to include playdates and birthdays.

". Doesn't do much to negate the claim that women form bitchy cliques!"

I don't think I understand. I think that women who disparage other women are misogynist and unpleasant. If other people happen to agree with me, does that make us a "bitchy clique"? Because nobody would ever say that about a group of men who happened to agree with each other.

Sorry- posted to soon.

Groups of women have always been regarded with suspicion. Men like to divide and rule- women joining together are dangerous.

But I have never seen a group of men fall out for no good reason, whereas I have seen it time and time again in groups of women.

I have gone out of my way to be nice to some women, only to find they have bitched about me behind my back.

Way back in the day, I did sleep with the partners of a couple of ex friends who each did something really shitty to me, but those were both situations where I could have lost a lot by these women's actions. I wouldn't do that now, but that's only because I gave up sex many years ago!

Element , I am glad you have found some common ground with women on here

although not necessarily on this thread

I have experienced misogyny for not bring the "right" type of woman. My SIL and MIL love to be looked after, believe men should be a knight in shining armour and women should love baking, glitter etc.

Because I like to be independent and have a few (as they would percieve them) masculine traits they think I am trying to "prove" something. No idea what.

My step-FIL once asked if I wanted some sparkly rose. I told him I would prefer a gin and tin and he told me "but the girls love a bit of a fizz" with a face like he had just witnessed a kitten being put in a microwave.

I really wish there was a 'banging head on brick wall' emoticon.

I think it is a lot to do with what's happened in your past. Nothing is more scary than being in a group of women! I'm instantly transported back to being a teenager and hoping no one notices me!

Yes I've been the wrong type of female, I've worked both too much and too little....lots of other comments seem familiar too.

More recently I have had good experiences though especially with some school mums and a female boss. It's been lovely.

Dontunderstand01 amusing username, I'm not sure whether you realise or not but your very first paragraph -

I have experienced misogyny for not bring the "right" type of woman. My SIL and MIL love to be looked after, believe men should be a knight in shining armour and women should love baking, glitter etc.

is heavily misogynistic towards your SIL and MIL. It's ok to like baking and glitter and to want to be looked after - I like all of these things and consider myself a feminist, definitely nothing to be looked down on.

But I have never seen a group of men fall out for no good reason, whereas I have seen it time and time again in groups of women.

I have read many threads here where a poster has been 'dumped' by a friendship group without knowing why, while they post pics of their evenings out rubbing it in the dumped person's face.

I have never ever heard of that happening to a man.

I have experienced more bitchiness from women than I ever have men.

It doesn't mean all women are like that, not at all, but it does happen with women more ime. I also find it much easier to break into an established friendship group if they are males.

I'm not a misogynistic because my experiences are real. I still would love more women in my life though.

is heavily misogynistic towards your SIL and MIL. It's ok to like baking and glitter and to want to be looked after - I like all of these things and consider myself a feminist, definitely nothing to be looked down on.

Did she say that it wasn't ok? No, she said they judged her for not having the same interests as them.

I once worked for a chap who described 'how liberated he was' because he had washed his children's hair at the week end being such a model Dad now. One question he had was whether shampoo or conditioner was used first - asked only to the women (2 out of 20+ men) present?

Seriously you couldn't make it up....all because ''his wife never let him do anything with my children''
bonkers or what?

When women's friendship groups fall out it can be vicious. I've found myself on the receiving end of a freezing out and it's not nice. With male friendship groups they tend to be a lot more forthright with each other, like they'll say 'you're a dick head and I'm mad because you did X', the other party will apologise and it'll be done with. I would love for my ex friends to be that honest with me!

Men don't fall out for no good reason?

Has anyone ever been to a football match? They often have to escort away fans back to their coaches under police guard!

I have had this with friends who start a new relationship then change their behaviour. They then behave as if I am now a threat as a single woman. Sad but true, and I don't even look like a super model

Fucking hell, this thread is stereotype after stereotype.

AF - just looked back there and hold my hands up- I had missed that key post of element's which made your comment seem harsh.
Sorry that's been your end conclusion too element.

It really is quite shocking how dismissive some women are towards other women. In my personal experience, the subtext behind the I'm a man's woman thing is that other women are always silly/bitchy/manipulative and the woman who is accepted into men's groups is better than these other women - nearly as good as a man, even! But better you know, not taken up with dumb things like hair styles, preferring important things like soccer.

In my experience, anyone who thinks men aren't bitchy or manipulative has either never met a man or is completely blind.

My mum too.

It's amazing how MN can make you unpick your thinking, isn't it?

I'd have said I get on better with men than women, but I am a feminist so WTF?

I guess;

1. I'm an introvert, so 'male-style' friendships where you talk about stuff rather than feelings are more comfortable for me.

2. The 'stuff' I am happy talking about (sci-fi, fantasy, sport, computer games) tend to be a bit more popular among males.

Like you say, those are both stereotypes, but you only meet a certain number of people in your life, so if I want to strike up a conversation about Star Wars, odds are a bloke is a better place to start. Or of course MN, which gives access to a huge number of folk, so you can almost always find someone who's interested in whatever dull stuff you want to bang on about, regardless of gender.

I sadly know several women who are quite vocal about WOHM, making comments along the lines of 'what is the point in having children if you are going to run straight back to work'. Obviously I've never heard the same said about WOHF

And I have lost track of the number of times on here I've seen women told they shouldn't have a C-Section because it costs the NHS more than a straightforward vaginal birth. Never seen a man told he should do a cost analysis before deciding on which hospital treatment to accept

In my experience, anyone who thinks men aren't bitchy or manipulative has either never met a man or is completely blind

Or maybe our experiences just differ?

I have met a few manipulative arsehole men in my life for sure, and the odd bitchy one, but I've met far more women than men with the bitchy trait.

I have never heard a group of men put other men down to the extent women do. Of course there are men like that who exist but I have never heard a group of men talk about how thin Aidan Turner is, or how him at work is a crap father because he didn't take any paternity leave, or go out of the way to exclude newcomers in the work place, but I have certainly experienced it with women. I often read MN and think women are so often women's own worst enemies. The amount of posts judging others for decisions they have made is too many to count, the SAHM/WOHM is still a huge debate but I do not see too many men giving a shit about other men's choices or women's for that matter.

When I started a new job a group of well established friends would ignore me in the staff room, a few wonderful women were lovely to me, but many froze me out and didn't invited me to events or even look up when I walked in. I can honestly say that has never happened to me with men.

So yes, as a rule I do think women are more bitchier than men, but that's not to say all women are because clearly they aren't but I've never felt judged for my choices by a man but I have been judged loudly by other women.

And again, that does not make me a misogynistic. It's just my experience.

And I will probably need to wear my flame proof suit now.

Men argue over shit like everyone else but I don't know any men who hold a grudge or refuse to ever speak to someone again over something minor, or conversely spend days navel gazing about why someone doesn't like them.

abbieanders Yeah, your post is a good illustration of women not being dismissive of other women isn't it Your last paragraph is particularly lovely.

Seeing my mum and aunt over the holidays has made me confirm with certainty that they're female misogynists. Every man either wants to beat you or fuck you, there's no in between, and it's because they can't handle how pretty you are.

I won't say it's low intelligence, but I definitely think it's because they have very limited life experience. And the reluctance to broaden their horizons is frustrating.

I know one woman who I'd definitely apply a misogynistic label to. She is one of a small number of women in a male-dominated work environment, and always makes a big thing about being one of the boys and how much she hates feminism.

It's all a bit odd because she is extremely vocal about her rape and sexual assaults, but frequently claims she doesn't like or trust women. On numerous occasions, she's actively conspired against women she works with or knows and encouraged male acquaintances to ridicule or bully them for trivial or manufactured reasons. She thinks it's fine for employers to sack female workers for being pregnant and claims that the majority of women who are raped are at fault in some way.

I honestly don't get it. I've engaged with her on a few occasions, not least when she spouts the 'rape victims are mostly lying' stat, especially in terms of how freely she talks about her own rape, but she is utterly immovable.