Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Original poster

To hate the disingenuous, lying, underhand Hunting Brigade and there ongoing campaign to bring back fox hunting

309 replies

Boomingmarvellous · 26/12/2015 09:56

I hate fox hunting with horses and hounds. It's cruel and barbaric. That's my only objection. I don't mind shooting foxes if they are predating livestock like chickens and lambs. The rest should be left in peace to maintain their place in rural life.

The Hunting brigade and the Countryside Alliance have lied about everything to support their 'sport'. Not least the mass euthanasia of hounds and horses and loss of countryside jobs if it was banned. 10 years on it is more popular then ever.

They still 'accidentally' kill foxes who stray across their path. Why? Because the trail they lay is still concocted to smell of foxes. They have had 10 years to raise hounds to follow a different scent. Dogs can be trained to pick up the scent of anything so why stick to fox? Of course it's because they knew if a conservative government got in they would change the law back again.

Thank you SNP for scotching that idea.

OP posts:
PhilPhilConnors · 26/12/2015 12:38

The vast majority of people who go out hunting will never see a fox.
It's about socialising and a chance to ride across countryside.

The problem with these threads is that most people vehemently against don't seem to know much about it.

PhilPhilConnors · 26/12/2015 12:40

And I'm not pro-hunting.
I don't like it at all, but it's not about a bunch of cruel aristocrats getting on their horses and smearing themselves with blood.

TaliZorah · 26/12/2015 12:44

So why not just go out hacking?

I used to ride and I have nothing against people doing that.

OurBlanche · 26/12/2015 12:46

Huh? Sorry Tali, but that is, essentially, what they do.

TaliZorah · 26/12/2015 12:47

So why call it a hunt?

OurBlanche · 26/12/2015 12:56

Really? Because that is the history of it? Why should they lose all connection to 500 years worth of history when modernising the activity?

Would you want boxing to be renamed?

StuffandBother · 26/12/2015 12:57

I'm out hunting on NYD, lot's of hunts DON'T hunt fox, they hunt the 'Clean boot' (man) - so nowt to do with poor old Basil!!

I'd be out today but the weather has cancelled play, I'm not posh, not a toff definitely not aristocracy :) but it's one of the most exciting exhilarating things ever, there certainly is a point of drag hunting :)

TaliZorah · 26/12/2015 12:59

Because "hunt" implies something else entirely. Stop being pretentious call it a ride

I don't know anything about boxing so cannot comment

OurBlanche · 26/12/2015 13:04

Well, pugilism was possibly named boxing because it too happened on boxing day. Now it happens all the time, would you want it to carry the more correct name now?

Your objection on the word hunt is daft... egg hunts, hunt the thimble, missing persons... stop being spuriously offended!

WorraLiberty · 26/12/2015 13:05

Seriously Blanche my post (the first on this thread) at 11:18:37

Didn't make it clear that I was talking about people who take pleasure in terrorising and killing animals? Confused

catfordbetty · 26/12/2015 13:14

Well, pugilism was possibly named boxing because it too happened on boxing day

Does everyone on MN just make things up as they go along?

TaliZorah · 26/12/2015 13:16

possibly

Why call it a hunt if you are t hunting, it's stupid.

Anyway my main issue is with killing animals. "Hunting" while not hunting, which stupid, is fine

TaliZorah · 26/12/2015 13:16

While

OurBlanche · 26/12/2015 13:17

Don't spoil it betty... there was a punch line which I won't now use, as you have beaten me to it!

OurBlanche · 26/12/2015 13:21

Worra, you may think it was clear, in the thread, at that time, it wasn't, hence my asking and explaining. If the cap does not fit, stop trying to wear it!

Tali, anyway my main issue, in context of this thread, is that your previous, unthinking posts, reflect the misinformation about hunting in this country, which is fine, but stupid!

TaliZorah · 26/12/2015 13:22

But going on a ride and calling it hunting isn't hunting.

Me saying I'm running a marathon and then walking to the corner shop doesn't mean I've actually ran a marathon.

OurBlanche · 26/12/2015 13:27

OK, intransigence wins!

You win, I shall call the OED and have them change the definition of 'hunt'.

WorraLiberty · 26/12/2015 13:28

Worra, you may think it was clear, in the thread, at that time, it wasn't, hence my asking and explaining. If the cap does not fit, stop trying to wear it!

OK Blanche I'm going to throw this question out to anyone who might be reading this thread Confused

Is there any part of the post below that does not make it clear that I'm talking about people who take pleasure in terrorising and killing animals....

Anyone who sees chasing, terrorising and killing another living thing as a 'sport' is a vile human being.

Yes culling is necessary, as is the protection of livestock.

But I seriously question the mentality of any human being who can experience any kind of enjoyment, from the death of an animal.

They're certainly not people I wish to associate with.

OurBlanche · 26/12/2015 13:34

Don't forget to go back and read it in context, as it was presented at the time in the thread.

As it is now, re-posted here, it reads quite differently. Strange how that happens, in a discussion.

Again, Worra, that cap evidently does not fit. Stop trying to force it on! What else can I say? It was not clear at first, I queried it, you responded, it is now clear!

Hurray!

RiverTam · 26/12/2015 13:37

I honestly think there are far more important animal welfare issues out there than fox hunting.

Also, if you are a meat eater and enjoy eating meat then you get pleasure from the slaughter of an animal. We don't have to eat meat. Therefore the death of any animal for meat is unnecessary.

I doubt that most of the antis on this thread are veggie, therefore they need to take a good long look in the mirror.

FWIW I don't like hunting and I think the ban should remain but I think a lot of antis are absolute hypocrites and, as I said to begin with, that there are more important animal welfare issues out there that imo should take precedence.

WorraLiberty · 26/12/2015 13:43

Christ Blanche what is wrong with you, that you can't just admit you were wrong?

It was my first post on the thread.

Posted in the context of the entire thread including the opening post.

It quite clearly states that I'm talking about people who take pleasure in terrorising and killing animals.

If you cant comprehend that, it's your own problem.

Pinkponiesrock · 26/12/2015 13:45

I ride and I'm a farmer, not aristocracy unfortunately Wink, so I guess my views on hunting are based on the first hand knowledge of how destructive, ruthless and indiscriminate foxes are in their killing.
Did anyone watch The Hunt on BBC1 with David Attenborough where the wild dogs hunted the wildebeast by pursuing it over a huge distance, working as a pack with a different dog taking the lead every few minutes until they could eventually bring it down? These Wild Dogs have evolved a hunting technique with any human intervention, a desire to hunt is not something that people have created.

TheNewStatesman · 26/12/2015 13:46

I eat animals' semi-charred corpses at least 3 times a week for dinner, for no reason other than personal pleasure. I'd feel a bit of a hypocrite being anti-hunting.

Hunting of threatened species of animal is vile, but I can't care much about a few smelly foxes.

OurBlanche · 26/12/2015 13:50

Worra let it go yourself. I queried something you wrote. I haven't persisted in misunderstanding, I read your follow up, agree that your meaning is now perfectly clear.

Why does it upset you that something you wrote may have been perceived as lacking a little clarity? It happens. Most people clarify and move on. Yet here you are, denigrating me for persisting whilst you, erm persist

It was all cleared up, posts ago. Could you find enough remaining Christmas spirit to just let it go , as the song says? Xmas Smile

Tanith · 26/12/2015 14:09

Tali, it's a bit like "Hare and Hounds". Not a hare or a hound in sight, but the chase is just as much fun.

I dislike, and am opposed to, real foxes being killed in fox hunting, but I have no problem with the hunts as the currently are. I live in a hunting area: there's one just up the road from us. The people who go out hunting are actually very nice. What they do love is the thrill and the challenge of following the dogs. The actual killing of the fox, for them, was incidental - most hunters never even saw it happen - and was regarded more as the hounds' reward. Of course, it's now irrelevent altogether.

So I agree with the Op in wishing that the Countryside Alliance would just leave it alone.

Someone mentioned cubbing - surely the most boring way to spend a morning, sat around on horses doing little. As I understand it, the cubs and hound puppies were not the cutesy babies the names imply; they were merely younger animals approaching adulthood.

Hunting as it is seems to be working as a decent compromise. Use the law to sort out the hunts and the sabs that are breaking the law and causing nuisance and everyone should be reasonably happy, surely?

Swipe left for the next trending thread