To hate the disingenuous, lying, underhand Hunting Brigade and there ongoing campaign to bring back fox hunting

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I hate fox hunting with horses and hounds. It's cruel and barbaric. That's my only objection. I don't mind shooting foxes if they are predating livestock like chickens and lambs. The rest should be left in peace to maintain their place in rural life.

The Hunting brigade and the Countryside Alliance have lied about everything to support their 'sport'. Not least the mass euthanasia of hounds and horses and loss of countryside jobs if it was banned. 10 years on it is more popular then ever.

They still 'accidentally' kill foxes who stray across their path. Why? Because the trail they lay is still concocted to smell of foxes. They have had 10 years to raise hounds to follow a different scent. Dogs can be trained to pick up the scent of anything so why stick to fox? Of course it's because they knew if a conservative government got in they would change the law back again.

Thank you SNP for scotching that idea.

Pavlov proved his dog could be trained to react in a certain way to a specific stimuli. What's difficult to understand there? Foxhounds could be trained to recognise Miss Dior and chase it!

Not everywhere follows an aniseed trail (though they should). If so they wouldn't pick up the odd fox. The hounds are trained not just with learning what to follow but by the whippers in and the horn. Frankly they shouldn't chase anything other than their laid trail.

YANBU I don't understand how murderonh animals is a sport

I hope they break their necks

Ironic that this is written by someone who probably claims to be against cruelty

I detest foxhunting, but in a free world I don't consider my personal views sufficient reason to ban something; anyway, surely there are worse things to worry about?

As several posts have shown, a lot of this is perhaps more about dislike of the hunters rather than sympathy for the fox ...

puzzled it wasn't me that said that but the hunters are cruel. So that's why they don't get any sympathy.

They take joy in murdering wildlife. So don't expect any of us to cry for them

Pavlov's experiments were not designed to show that dogs were trainable. Even c.1890 that was apparent to everyone.

Just quietly chuckling at the supposed anti-cruelty person citing Pavlov's dog......

Cat.

It demonstrated dogs (and other mammals) can be trained to react to stimuli in a predictable manner. Animals were trainable before 1890 but the mechanism was scientifically demonstrated by Pavlov.

Which hunters TaliZorah?

Anyone who hunts animals in the case were talking about fox hunting.

I detest foxhunting, but in a free world I don't consider my personal views sufficient reason to ban something

Do you adopt the same sit-on-the-fence attitude towards those who inflict cruelty on children? You know..... those who can't defend themselves? It's a free world after all

Having spent a number of years working within the hunting industry in the past I can categorically state it has fuck all to do with pest control and everything to do with sport, adrenaline and fun. The cheering of foot followers when a fox was caught and shredded was one of the behaviours that started to change my attitude. Utterly vile.

There's nothing wrong with 'blanket condemnation' when it comes to thinking that people who get enjoyment out of terrorising and killing are vile human beings.

Would people feel differently if fox hunters also admitted to having 'fun' while pulling the legs off of spiders?

For me it's about the mentality of people like that, not the politics, class or any other kind of argument.

Killing and terrorising should never be 'fun'.

I don't agree with animal experimentation for such as cosmetics and wherever possible, not for medical experimentation, but with proper regulation (which there is) sometimes there is no other option. I would prefer human and animal diseases irradiated.

Not sure if Pavlov was cruel to his dog. May even have taken him for walkies

Worra that sums up why I hate it

That's it for me TaliZorah

People can argue about 'class', 'politics', 'culling' and everything else until they're blue in the face.

But getting pleasure from ending the life of another living being is what says it all for me.

That will always be the crux of it imo.

Supermanpants. I sincerely hope the ban has brought about a more enlightened enjoyment of the new hunting. Perhaps it has taken away the people who enjoyed the actual killing side of it. probably taken up illegal badger baiting

But, Tali and Worra, fox hunting has changed. Hunts no longer set out to catch a fox, the name remains, the quarry does not.

And yes, I do know that some hunts do chase up a fox, but not all the time and most take care not to. Those that do should be fined, its management changed, etc. That isn't really anything that needs to be debated, it is abhorrent.

It is the blind condemnation I find ridiculous. A sweeping statement without any apparent understanding, or desire to gain any. Any clarification, a hint of understanding that fox hunting isn't, well, fox hunting any more, makes such sentiments more understandable. Left unqualified it just makes people sound a tad deranged.

I know that all sounds nit picky. But many people who agree that hunting is cruel enjoy the remodelled 'fox hunting' as a bloodless sport. To continue to condemn them is counterproductive, ignorant and seems to have another agenda... as evidenced by the perpetual "it's all just posh folks" comments n here.

Do you adopt the same sit-on-the-fence attitude towards those who inflict cruelty on children?

No I certainly don't - but then, while disliking what's done to foxes, and appreciating that a cruel mindset can sometimes cross over into other areas, I believe there's a fundamental difference between animals and humans

Genuine question, in view of the usual cries of "murder" ... does the legal definition of this include animals? I honestly didn't think it did?

Only if you are Morrisey

Blanche I've made it quite clear that I'm talking about those who take pleasure in terrorising and killing animals.

Our but people's pets have been killed "accidentally" on hunts, when the hounds have decided to attack cats for example.

As I said if the countryside alliance would just shut up about repealing the ban and boost the 'new' popularity of drag hunting. Totally drop the words fox hunting and emphasise their love of the countryside and the inclusion of normal families who love riding, they will be doing everyone a favour.

Tali and as I said earlier, my chickens were killed by the anti brigade.

Neither side has the monopoly on being right or wrong.

Worra, your earlier posts wasn't so clear. Which is why I queried it and explained what about it bothered me.

It demonstrated dogs (and other mammals) can be trained to react to stimuli in a predictable manner. Animals were trainable before 1890 but the mechanism was scientifically demonstrated by Pavlov

Erm ... not really. But never mind. I don't approve of hunting either.