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To hate the disingenuous, lying, underhand Hunting Brigade and there ongoing campaign to bring back fox hunting

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Boomingmarvellous · 26/12/2015 09:56

I hate fox hunting with horses and hounds. It's cruel and barbaric. That's my only objection. I don't mind shooting foxes if they are predating livestock like chickens and lambs. The rest should be left in peace to maintain their place in rural life.

The Hunting brigade and the Countryside Alliance have lied about everything to support their 'sport'. Not least the mass euthanasia of hounds and horses and loss of countryside jobs if it was banned. 10 years on it is more popular then ever.

They still 'accidentally' kill foxes who stray across their path. Why? Because the trail they lay is still concocted to smell of foxes. They have had 10 years to raise hounds to follow a different scent. Dogs can be trained to pick up the scent of anything so why stick to fox? Of course it's because they knew if a conservative government got in they would change the law back again.

Thank you SNP for scotching that idea.

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Supermanspants · 26/12/2015 16:12

These are halcyon days for hunting! Its more popular than ever before. The more violent sabs are a pain but apart from that it all works very well at the moment

Keep saying it enough and you may start to believe it Grin
Now.... I wonder why so many hunts are either giving up or having to constantly organise joint meets with other hunts??

But so glad you feel this way..... no need for repeal then. Tally ho!

WorraLiberty · 26/12/2015 16:17

Worra - if no-one worked in an abattoir who's going to kill the meat you choose to eat and presumably enjoy eating? You? Are you saying that everyone who works in an abattoir wants to and enjoys it? I don't understand what you're saying.

No that's not what I'm saying at all.

I've pointed out that I find people who see 'fun' and 'sport' in taking another life, absolutely vile people and I question their mentality.

Someone mentioned killing animals to eat, so I tried to point out that there's a big difference in my mind, in killing to eat and killing because someone finds it 'fun'.

People who work in abattoirs generally don't kill for 'sport' or 'fun'. They kill so people can eat the meat.

I doubt they go home exhilarated at having taken a life just for kicks, unlike many hunters.

Supermanspants · 26/12/2015 16:27

I've pointed out that I find people who see 'fun' and 'sport' in taking another life, absolutely vile people and I question their mentality

This

I doubt they go home exhilarated at having taken a life just for kicks, unlike many hunters

And this

catfordbetty · 26/12/2015 16:28

People who work in abattoirs generally don't kill for 'sport' or 'fun'.

But you would question their mentality?

Supermanspants · 26/12/2015 16:37

I would suggest people watch 'A Minority Pastime* on Youtube

Also interesting that the Countryside Alliance and associated experts involved in hunting were invited to but refused to attend a recent symposium at Winchester University on hunting with hounds. This involved a wide range of experts and was a golden opportunity for the CA to argue the case for hunting. Tim Bonner spat his dummy out and said there was 'no point' in attending. Apparently this was because people in attendance already held views opposing hunting. Hmm

WorraLiberty · 26/12/2015 16:52

No catford

I would question their mentality if they did kill for sport and fun.

It must be me, because I'm reading my posts back and they are quite clear to my hungover brain Xmas Blush

catfordbetty · 26/12/2015 16:58

Sorry, get it now.

RiverTam · 26/12/2015 17:00

Worra you said yourself up thread that you question the mentality of anymore who works in an abbatoir (14.45). You also said way upthread that you question the mentality if any human who experiences enjoyment from the death of an animal (sorry, in phone so can't cut and paste). If you are a meat eater who enjoys eating meat then surely you are questioning your own mentality?

WorraLiberty · 26/12/2015 17:03

Worra you said yourself up thread that you question the mentality of anymore who works in an abbatoir

No I didn't.

And I think that is where the confusion lies.

I cant really keep explaining. It would be much easier if you just go back and read the post (also the post I was replying to).

I'll try one more time though using different words...

People who work in abbatoirs have a job to do. That job is to kill animals for people to eat.

If they just worked there because they had a love of killing and they got a massive kick out of taking the animal's lives for the sake of sport, I would question their mentality.

Perhaps that's a little clearer?

honeyroar · 26/12/2015 17:05

I grew up in the countryside. I have ridden all my life. I drag hunted as a child. I worked with horses, including on a hunting yard. I have been clubbing and hunting for work once or twice. I detest hunting and think that a lot of those who support it are are either social climbers or set in the past (that's my experience). I don't believe it is sufficient as pest control. I find drag hunting safer for the horses and a faster, better ride. I have hens. I lost one lot to a fox once, it was my own fault for not repairing a corner of the fence that had broken. If you expect your hens/lambs etc to free range you will lose some of them. It's nature.

As for sabs, I have seen some confused ones turn out for a drag hunt once or twice, so it can be said that some of them don't understand what's going on. However, the fact that a lot of ex fox hunts do still hunt illegally, knowing they are on huge estates/farms that are out of the public's view and that the police are too busy to do anything, is going to mean that there will be sabs. Killing an animal is going to ignite people's anger/passions. I know of people that support sab sites on Facebook, and they are just simply disgusted at fox hunting.

Supermanspants · 26/12/2015 17:05

It is nothing but fucking nit picking Worra. All they are doing is trying to trip you up.... but are clearly failing Smile
Hunt supporters are very good at it IME

WorraLiberty · 26/12/2015 17:07

To be fair the thread is moving fast Xmas Grin

Supermanspants · 26/12/2015 17:08

As for sabs, I have seen some confused ones turn out for a drag hunt once or twice, so it can be said that some of them don't understand what's going on

As you pointed out in the rest of your post, hunts continue to hunt illegally but pretend to drag hunt. Any foxes that are killed sadly 'got in the way of hounds' so it was 'accidental' Hmm

honeyroar · 26/12/2015 17:19

I'm not quite sure what you meant in you post quoting me Superman. I was talking about some sabs turning up to a drag hunt even in the days when there were legal fox hunts as well as drag hunts - before fox hunts became drag hunts by law.. So those sabs were confused or just there for trouble rather than to defend foxes, as those drag hunts were always fox free hunts...

Supermanspants · 26/12/2015 17:28

Honey
Sabs will monitor drag hunts for illegal hunting. Yes, there are a minority of hunts that drag hunt with no kills but there are a fair few who trail/drag hunt as a facade.
I was talking more in the present rather than pre-ban which you were referring to but that was no clear in your post

Dipankrispaneven · 26/12/2015 17:50

I always enjoy the incoherent fury you get from hunters when dealing with former hunt saboteurs who now turn up to monitor hunts and make sure that they stick to the law. The fact that there has been a 180 degree turn in their respective positions is one that hunters who try to flout the law seem to find incredibly difficult to handle.

honeyroar · 26/12/2015 17:50

Yes I agree with you. And am not anti sabs in general. I should have been clearer perhaps.

Supermanspants · 26/12/2015 17:55

I can never understand why the hunt mob get so angry and violent with hunt monitors. They are there to monitor/observe. If the hunts have nothing to hide then why the attitude..... oh hang on a minute..... Wink

Babyroobs · 26/12/2015 18:21

YANBU. I bloody hate anyone who would chase and kill an animal for fun, despicable behaviour and it should stay banned.

xmasseason · 26/12/2015 18:34

YANBU

FelicityFunknickle · 26/12/2015 18:37

YANBU.
And yy Worra

nippiesweetie · 26/12/2015 18:39

YouBastardSockBalls Evidence. During the foot and mouth outbreak (when hunting was banned) the fox population did not rise.

For a long time the pro hunt lobby shut up about how hunting kept the numbers down. They've started claiming this again. They must think we have short memories.

Cars have proved to be the most effective control on fox numbers. So many die on the road.

HoundPaws · 26/12/2015 19:14

Hunting has worked well in the countryside on many levels for hundreds of years and continues to do so in many ways which those disconnected from farming do not understand (eg the fallen stock collection). The current law has so many loop holes it is almost entirely unenforceable, hence why hunts continue successfully. I am a livestock farmer's daughter who has hunted for many years; I have my faults I am sure but do not consider myself arrogant nor disingenuous. I just happen to enjoy the sport, the exciting ride and do not have a problem with killing vermin for sport. I am proud to support hunting and believe it will continue successfully and largely in harmony with farmers and landowners indefinitely.

Pinkponiesrock · 26/12/2015 19:31

Catfordbetty**
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It's actually well know that foxes will kill well in excess of their requirements, it's know as surplus killing. We've had lambs killed, or half killed, and just left lying about the field by foxes. I'm sure you can imagine how it feels when you see what you've been working towards for months, at vast expense, lying wasted on the ground when you're doing your morning rounds.
The point I was making was that pack hunting is something that exists in nature, it's not something we have created, dogs will hunt like that naturally.

jorahmormont · 26/12/2015 19:33

The hunters are the vermin, not the foxes.

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