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Christmas fund given to charity AIBU

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FlatOnTheHill · 23/12/2015 14:43

Me and my sister get on really well. Very close family. Never argue about anything. More like best mates so very lucky. Ok this is where its all gone wrong. Re xmas. None of us want for anything and the kids have everything. I made a decision this year that all off my £200 xmas fund for family (not my son). Is being donated to a local wonderful hospice. Im a working single mum by the way. I have given plenty of notice to everyone and told people myself and my son dont want anything as we dont need it. To save their money and not to worry. She has gone mad and said she would never give to charity at xmas and its about the kids. I said you might need a fucking hospice one day. She said its a weird thing to do. All the rest of the faimy think its a good gesture to donate. I have only bought presents for my son. Am i wrong? Feel like shit now for doing a good deed.

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timelytess · 24/12/2015 12:27

"I'm doing a good thing by not giving anything to you."
Right.
"So I look good to the hospice because I'm charitable. But I didn't give the money from a source that would affect me, I gave them the money I would have spent on you."
Right. So, its my gift to the hospice, but you get the credit?
"That's right. You should love me for it."
Erm...

Sorry you're feeling a cunt now, OP. I came late to the thread. I hope you are all happy and at peace shortly, if not already.

whattheseithakasmean · 24/12/2015 12:30

OP, how will you feel if you and your son receive lovely thoughtful gifts from your sister this year? Will you be genuinely delighted, or will you feel a bit embarrassed and wrong footed? Now flip that around to consider how your 'gift' has made your sister feel.

Outaboutnowt · 24/12/2015 12:35

UkmmTheSecond
I totally agree with you.

And the post below yours is yet another demonstration of the attitude:
"I want things and you're not buying me things and it technically is my money that you've spent, not your own hard earned money, because it should be spent on me and my DC therefore you're selfish"

SuburbanRhonda · 24/12/2015 12:38

Personally, much as I like receiving Stuff, if someone told me they weren't doing presents but were giving to a hospice/ the local food bank/ the work being done to support refugees in Calais, I would be absolutely fine with it. And rather impressed.

That's probably because you're an adult and have had all your childhood years of receiving presents already.

flippinada · 24/12/2015 12:41

What the OP told her her sister she and her son didn't want any presents. It's mentioned in the OP and throughout the thread.

SuburbanRhonda · 24/12/2015 12:43

Only to a pig.

What an incisive, intelligent post, lealeander.

TwinkleCrinkle · 24/12/2015 12:43

Wow! This is a shocking thread!
Can't believe how many people would be upset if they (or their dc) didn't get a present from someone!

If they want to still give the op dc a gift that is their choice. They could also take the money they would have spent and buy their own dc extra presents to make up for their (perceived) shortfall.

Asking the dsis to give to charity in lieu of a gift to the op may not end in as much money being given. As it's an important charity to the op then she is allowed to give the amount she wants to charity.

Also who cares if the op feels good about giving to charity! If we forbade anyone who felt good about themselves or told others about their donations many charities would be far worse off. What about all the celebs that are publicly charitable?
Imo whatever gets people to donate and hopefully make someone else's life a little better is ok with me.

ExasperatedAlmostAlways · 24/12/2015 12:44

For fuck sake some of these comments. I have three kids, who would think that was an amazing thing to do. In october I bought a load of stuff to donate to homeless people for winter to keep them warm and dry. I explained it all to them and they thought it was great. My six year old ran upstairs and came down and gave me two pound she had and asked me to use it to but stuff too.

Iv just explained to my six year old what a hospice is. She knows what cancer is as sadly we lost my stepmum to it and my mother in law has it. I asked her if her aunt were to suggest instead of buying her a Xmas gift and instead donating that money to the hospice how would she feel and she said id feel happy and also sad though because people have to go there because they are ill.

If a six year old gets it. Can have compassion and feel happy to forego a gift I'm sure your sister can stop being so ridiculous.

whattheseithakasmean · 24/12/2015 12:45

OP told her her sister she and her son didn't want any presents

Yes, but the sister may still buy her lovely gifts. Those unasked for and unexpected gifts may make her feel a bit small. Her unasked for an unexpected gift for her sister's family has had the same effect.

flippinada · 24/12/2015 12:52

Yes, and someone might give me a vial of unicorn tears and a cheque for twelvety million pounds.

ExasperatedAlmostAlways · 24/12/2015 12:56

Whatthe, I very much doubt that considering her sister hasn't spoken to her in five weeks.

FlatOnTheHill · 24/12/2015 13:10

Ok im back.
Marynary.
My sister an I have a great relashionsip. This is why i am upset she has not spoken to me for 5 weeks. You seem to be picking the bones out of every comment. My sis and I were so close and never clashed over anything. We are so alike but obviously not in this decision i have made.

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FlatOnTheHill · 24/12/2015 13:14

Yes i did ask for opinions from MN which is great to receive many varied views even though some are so deep its ridiculous.

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SauvignonBlanche · 24/12/2015 13:19

Just read this in the paper today and thought of this thread.

"A socially responsible gift might seem the perfect antidote to the rampant consumerism of Christmas, but it could damage friendships academics have warned.
Although donating money to charity on behalf of a friend may seem like a thoughtful and altruistic act, in fact, the recipient is likely to view it as self-serving and inconsiderate.
Huge numbers of websites now cater for ‘gifts that give twice’ and organisations like Oxfam, Just Give and Shop With Meaning have helped popularise the practice.
“Socially responsible gifts clearly have the potential to reflect a virtuous identity for the giver. This may not be valued by recipients as much as givers think" Lisa Cavanaugh, University of Southern California
But although such gift choices are motivated by people’s desire to do good, they could be having unexpected consequences for friendships.
Academics at the University of Southern California tested the theory by asking 151 people to either make a £25 donation to charity on behalf of a friend, or send them a gourmet coffee hamper of the same value.
Both the giver and recipient were asked to rate the present in terms of overall appreciation, thoughtfulness, offensiveness and commitment to the friendship.
The results showed that givers often overestimated how appreciative a friend would be of the donation – particularly distant friends - and underestimated how offended they might be.
Recipients were up to 27 per cent less appreciative of socially responsible gifts than givers expected. And while givers expected thoughtfulness ratings of around 74 per cent, the true rating was closer to 48 per cent.

Personalised gifts are likely to be better received than donations
The researchers conclude that the ‘warm glow’ of responsible gifts is unlikely to be shared by the recipient unless they are particularly close friends.
^“Gifts that support a worthy cause, such as a charitable donation in the recipient’s name, have become increasingly popular, “ said lead author Dr Lisa Cavanaugh, of the University of Southern California writing in the journal of Organisational Behaviour and Human Decision Processes.
“Recipients generally enjoy the idea of these gifts which not only benefit others in need but also make individuals feel good about themselves.
“We show that gift givers mis-predict appreciation for socially responsible gifts.^
“Socially responsible gifts clearly have the potential to reflect a virtuous identity for the giver. This very quality, however, may not be valued by recipients as much as givers think.
“In such instances, a recipient may perceived a gift as saying more about the giver than about the giver’s commitment to the relationship, causing perceived relationship commitment to suffer.”
The authors say well-chosen gifts should make the recipient feel ‘singular , extraordinary, and special’ and givers would do better if they put themselves in the shoes of their friend"

It seems your DSis is not alone, though clearly she has overreacted.

FlatOnTheHill · 24/12/2015 13:22

Marynary.
Again. I did tell my sister in advance of my intentions.
I dont think i should have arranged a 'board meeting' to have 'discussed' this. We had a conversation over the phone. We did until 5 weeks ago speak everyday on the phone. I speak to my mum everyday also. That is/was how we are/were.

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EvansOvalPiesYumYum · 24/12/2015 13:26

That is a most interesting post, SauvingonBlanche* I've given Charity Gifts instead of the usual Christmas Presents in the past, but always ran it past the recipients first. They were more than happy with the idea.

Perhaps it's best not to just 'spring' it on people? Check first.

EvansOvalPiesYumYum · 24/12/2015 13:27

Sorry Flat - crossed post!

FlatOnTheHill · 24/12/2015 13:32

Sauvignon
Interesting! But doesnt it just show you how society has become. Basically in laymans terms. If someone does not receive a gift but that money that would have been spent on the gift is given to charity then the so called receiver is dissapointed and basically fucked off. Yet really they are so selfish they cannot see further than their own desires and see that some poor soul less fortunate would benefit more. Do I feel virtuous. Absolutely not. The money has been donated and thats the end of it in by book.
I only told the family i was donating the money to charity so they would not think im a tight greedy cow that was spendind it on herself. And as said before. I expect NO gifts.

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SauvignonBlanche · 24/12/2015 13:39

On reflection, I think I agree that,

givers would do better if they put themselves in the shoes of their friend.

Have you managed to build any bridges with your DSis yet, are you seeing her over Christmas?

chillycurtains · 24/12/2015 13:46

Your Dsis is being unreasonable as you can't demand presents from anyone. They are gifts, they are gifted to you.

But, I think yabu as you are doing it the wrong way round. The year I felt this way I asked for all my presents to be Oxfam gifts or donations to charity. So I got no physical presents to open but the money people would have spent on me went to charity instead. You have basically donated other people's gifts to charity which does actually affect their celebrations. You have the right intentions but you have done it back to front.

whattheseithakasmean · 24/12/2015 13:53

In laymen's terms, I read it as the recipients of charity gifts felt the giver had placed their own needs and desires above those of the recipient. The essence of a gift is to seek to please the recipient, consider their tastes and needs. The charity gift makes the recipient feel less important, which is the opposite of what a good gift should do.

You have admitted yourself, you did not give much thought to how this would make your sister feel. That is what Sauvignon's helpful article addresses - it is the perceived lack of thought that could cause offence.

FlatOnTheHill · 24/12/2015 13:54

Sauv
She not picking up my calls. So who knows! I might turn up round her house after boxing day. Im sure people will say thats wrong but I just dont know.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 24/12/2015 13:55

Your sister is behaving in a ridiculous manner but I do agree with the research pointing out these gestures do have a tendency to make the donor feel better than the donee.

I agree with chilly curtains a better way of approaching it would have been to ask your sister not to get you anything but to make a donation in your name to a charity of your choice.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 24/12/2015 14:01

The essence of a gift is to seek to please the recipient, consider their tastes and needs. The charity gift makes the recipient feel less important, which is the opposite of what a good gift should do

And if you are giving charity donations on someone else's behalf you need to be sure it's a charity which means something to them, not you.

You picked a hospice- you may think that is uncontroversial and worthy. It would not be my first choice for a donation and indeed there is one particular hospice I know of which I definitely do not support. My favourite charities are all animal welfare related. I would not assume my friends or family want to support them.

SauvignonBlanche · 24/12/2015 14:04

I interpreted it the same way as whattheseithakasmean.