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kicked out of nativity with 5 week old.

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nativity15 · 15/12/2015 07:51

I'm just after your opinions. I have name changed but am a regular.

We received a letter about the school play and it said no children under 5 due to limited seating. I have a 5 week old new born and took her along in her car seat as opposed to her pram so she could go on my lap in her car seat not to take up space. Lots of other parents done the same. Once we got there we was all kicked out it was horrible and highly embarrassing. The hall went so quite and I'm sure everyone was looking at me. I quietly explained that we was taking up no extra space (lots of empty seats due to lots being kicked out) and she said I still have to leave due to health and safety. I do not do public confrontations well so quietly got up and left but must say I felt very heartbroken about it. I know it's just a school play but my eldest who is 6 was extremely excited her new sister was coming to 'watch' and now both of us will not be in the audience. My husband works full time and never made last year's due to work but was on paternity leave so this year we was able to all go together....it's Christmas.....we also have a new born and I was very happy about it all....abit of family time and all of us going to see her at her christmas play it just made me feel all warm and cosy and christmasy.

Anyway turns out it was nothing to do with health and safety and was an excuse to get me and the parents before me out the hall.

I have complained about this. Lots of the children have younger siblings. Not everyone has childcare so a lot of angry mum's and dads missed out.

So it turns out that this new 'heath and safety rule' was really the new head teacher didn't want any children under 5...I assume due to noise maybe. This school has always been brilliant in my opinion. They invite in parents with young siblings to do work shops etc and the school children visit other places and people in the community....that's what i like about the school makes you feel and also helps others in the community. But now this has happened I feel the opposite
I'm sure all the children and teachers worked hard for the play and now some children's families won't all be able to come and see them now...very sad.

Aibu to say under 5s are also part of our community and they are part of the families who want to come to the play to see older siblings and shouldn't be excluded due to their age.

I would.like to say this new rule only came in this year. Last year there were other children. I didn't have to think about it until this year but don't recall anything bad happening last year's play so the younger children where obviously not that disruptive.

OP posts:
Headofthehive55 · 15/12/2015 11:26

I wouldn't here, as friends are working or would be at the play. Now it's not so bad, but I do remember a time when it wasn't so easy.

Different lives you know!

mouldycheesefan · 15/12/2015 11:27

One parent looks After baby the other goes to nativity. Take pics and video for other parent to see.

Pyjamaramadrama · 15/12/2015 11:29

I've not noticed it be a problem at ds school. Parents usually stay at the end with toddlers and make a sharp exit if they're noisy during the lines. Although other people's kids being noisy doesn't bother me, I'm just glad it's not my own. Chair kicking on the other hand...

What is usually a problem at ds school is the same pesky family taking up the entire front row saving seats for nanny, grandad, aunty and uncle AND the toddler who arrive 2 minutes before the start Angry

A baby in arms seems a bit different anyway, although I now suspect that there were two showings, one for families, which was why they were so strict on the adults only one? A misunderstanding perhaps?

Verbena37 · 15/12/2015 11:29

Erm, di nobody read the age of the OPs newborn??? It's a 5 wk old baby for goodness sake.

However OP I think what you should have done was not take the baby in the car seat at all and instead, swaddled/carried baby onto you. They have no right to make you leave if you're feeding your baby. And how unchristian of them to make you leave: ensuring you missed your LO's nativity.

I too wild be sad and very annoyed. Babes in arms are accepted.....it wasn't health and safety....it was because the school didn't want any noise.
I would have complained.....although I would not have left.

IGotAPea · 15/12/2015 11:29

Native plays are heartwarming and nice to watch the dc.

They are also a massive stressfest and I can see both sides.

It's nice that children can watch their older in a play, but these places get hot and stuffy with the amount of people there, it often starts late and it's not Suprising that a preschooler and babies get restless at suddenly finding themselves in a packed room full of strangers, so many voices chatting, heat etc.

Then it makes it harder for the dc to perform as on top of facing loads of parents (which is v different to rehearsals etc) and nerves, they get distracted by children who are playing up. I can imagine it feels intimidating stood on that stage for some dc.

Which then pisses off the parents of the dc on stage as they can't hear their dcs part, or have to watch as they stand there distracted on stage.

My nieces nativity was interrupted as SIL allowed her toddler to wander up to the teacher leading the nativity, try to climb on stage with the kids, and basically just letting her do whatever she wanted while she watched the play. The kids had to restart twice! She was mightily offended that people and teachers didn't think her dd"cute" I ended up taking her dd out myself as she screamed the place down when the teacher told her "no" and SIL was insisting that her dd couldn't leave because she'd miss the play. Was glad to get out of there because the daggers were getting thrown to me too.

It's behaviour like that of my Sils (who does the same at sports days, assemblies etc) that ends up creating these rules, it's sad that all children miss out as a result.

My dd got upset at not being heard in preschool because a toddler cried from about a quarter of the way through right to the end. She never forgot and when it came to reception to was making sure I could hear her, I was at the back of a packed church and her one line was the loudest (not shouting) clearest thing I heard the whole through including the teachers speeches. She remembered the noise from pre school and adjusted her voice. She's usually very nervous and I got nears in my eyes at her confidence.:)

OP I would have read the letter to mean no under 5s. Reason behind it was shit, but "because of limited seating no under fives can attend" means all under fives can't go regardless. Like if I read "due to mud being trampled in carpets, no wellies allowed indoors" I wouldn't think it didn't apply to me cos I didn't have mud on my wellies. It means no body can wear wellies indoors. But you've had a tough ride here and I see that you're upset today, try to think of the positive, that dd got a parent at each performance, she'd have been chuffed to bits. Flowers and I hope you have a lovely Christmas.

Whatthefreakinwhatnow · 15/12/2015 11:30

Well heas, if you are friends with other parents then surely you do as a pp said and take it in turns to watch the play and mind the little ones?!

But in the OP'S case it was a non-issue as her and DH could take turns.

minipie · 15/12/2015 11:30

OP, why didn't you call up school and check if it was ok to bring a newborn on your lap?

Is it because you knew they would say no?

Headofthehive55 · 15/12/2015 11:31

And if DH is abroad? My DH could book time off and have it removed even on holiday. You can't always get time off either.

To prevent one parent from seeing it at all to allow a quieter performance is not just in my view.

BessieBlount · 15/12/2015 11:33

I'm with the op.

Ours also has the no under 5s due to seating rule but when I asked if it applied to my 6day old newborn, school looked at me as if I was mad and said, no, of course not!

I wouldn't take her now she's a toddler as toddlers are noisy but newborns usually sleep through such things.

The problem is that schools don't like having to ask people to leave when they're irresponsible and allow their children to make noise. I would always take mine out.

But some posters are sounding unhinged because they didn't hear a line in a nativity. My ds2 had the main part in his junior school production 2yrs ago. He was overjoyed to get it and worked so hard at his lines. DH was unavoidably out of the country on the 2nights it was on due to planes being grounded. As I have 3 other children and no family or other sitter, I couldn't go either so nobody saw him in his star role. Of course I was disappointed, as was he but that's life. I'm not spitting venom at anyone else. It's a part in a school play not major surgery.

Whatthefreakinwhatnow · 15/12/2015 11:34

It'd sad if a parent or a grandparent instead can't make it, but if parents really don't have anyone who can't help them out for 20 mins then they miss it and explain well I'm advance to the DC thst they won't be there and why.

Yokohamajojo · 15/12/2015 11:35

It is annoying with loud toddlers but a 5 week old I wouldn't leave with anyone anyway too young!

Our head asks before that if toddlers start to make too much noise could parents please take them out.

If the school don't do anything to accommodate parents who have no child care available then I think they are totally unreasonable! Our school usually have a TA or another teacher available in another room and put on a film like a creche.

StrapOnDodo · 15/12/2015 11:35

It's an interesting thought that even the word Nativity refers to the newborn child. I doubt anyone could hear themselves speak in the original nativity, what with the animals, nine visitors and all that noisy breastfeeding going on.

Many people seem to think it means a badly written panto organized by over pressured teachers, performed by tired and excited children watched by stressed out parents. In complete silence, of course.

Headofthehive55 · 15/12/2015 11:36

Not always possible. They work and only have that performance off. I work and only took that performance off so I wouldn't be available to mind others.

Sometimes you just don't have that set up, it takes time to make friends particularly in areas where so many parents work and are not at the school gate.

Sparklingbrook · 15/12/2015 11:39

I didn't have a newborn round about Christmas but I wouldn't have been mad keen to take one to a nativity because of being wedged in a hot school hall with everyone and their germs apart from anything else.
There does tend to be a lot of coughing too at school plays. Sad

BessieBlount · 15/12/2015 11:39

Yes, we don't have any living family at all. Nor do I know anyone who could have looked after 3 other children for a weekday evening. Not everyone has other options.

Viviennemary · 15/12/2015 11:39

If they decided that was the rule then it was not U of them to refuse to let you in with the baby. If you're not happy with that then complain for next time. I'd have been annoyed if I'd followed the rules and then found out later people were allowed to take in younger children. The school was right to stick to what they said.

HumphreyCobblers · 15/12/2015 11:40

But some posters are sounding unhinged because they didn't hear a line in a nativity

It is the child saying the line that has the right to be heard. It is upsetting for them to be drowned out.

witsender · 15/12/2015 11:43

Yanbu. It's a school! Kids and families are what make them. I'm a school governor and have just been to our play as a parent and hell would freeze over before they/we would do this. If a child was kicking off and the parent wasn't doing anything, the head or another teacher would have a quiet word.

Sparklingbrook · 15/12/2015 11:43

I hate the expression 'unhinged'.

ElfontheShelfIsWATCHINGYOUTOO · 15/12/2015 11:44

I've not noticed it be a problem at ds school. Parents usually stay at the end with toddlers and make a sharp exit if they're noisy during the lines.

^ this happens at our school too.

Or I have stood right at the back by the door.

But some posters are sounding unhinged because they didn't hear a line in a nativity

Yes. My dd had ONE line this year and it was drowned out by her fellow actor having a coughing fit, shall we ban fellow actors with colds?

She was then hidden from view by the largest boy in the class at the front, messing round, shall we ban large dc too?

For goodness sake!
There are so many other ways round this problem!!

Ask all small dc to be sat at the back and taken out if make noise!!

Its a school, horrendous way to treat parents and dc! horrendous! Give a strong speach about small dc disturbing the actors, ask that no one with small dc sit near the front...do anything than penalise and BAR parents with small DC.

FFS Angry

Headofthehive55 · 15/12/2015 11:44

I suppose that's where we differ. I would have accepted a child being noisy, in my child's nativity, to allow another mother see hers.

I don't think my right for a quiet performance trumps hers to see it at all.

witsender · 15/12/2015 11:44

But I wouldn't have taken the car seat as they are bulky and annoying...I'd have carried or used a carrier.

BessieBlount · 15/12/2015 11:45

Yes but it's unlikely that the child was drowned out. More likely that the parent didn't hear because they were sat close to a toddler.
And to say 'I really hate that parent' does sound unhinged.

ElfontheShelfIsWATCHINGYOUTOO · 15/12/2015 11:46

Its not something I would take lying down at our school at all for so many reasons. I would fight back.

Whatthefreakinwhatnow · 15/12/2015 11:46

Well then I sympathise but I would have to miss it, I'd feel sad for DD that I wasn't there to see it; but no way would

I take her baby sister and have her loudly ruin the play for the children who have worked so hard to practice for their little performance. I'd be waiting outside with a huge smile and a big hug and get her to recreate her bit once we got home Smile

Children are pretty resilient if you show them how to be,not all kids would fall apart and son because a parent wasn't there to see them, if explained to them properly ahead of time.