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...to think surely nobody will vote Donald Trump now?

524 replies

QuizteamBleakley · 07/12/2015 23:15

Donald Trump thinks there should be a ban on all Muslims entering the U.S.

Beeb news here.

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Dipankrispaneven · 13/12/2015 09:16

Good grief, Claig, you support the idea of having as President of the US a man who changes his mind every two minutes and tells lies?

Is this going to be yet another of those stupid occasions when you end up saying you were joking?

claig · 13/12/2015 09:28

Dipankrispaneven, I support Trump, I am not joking, Trump is toying with the media, he is hitting sixes with every shot, he is saying outrageous things in order to show how different he is to the Establishment's candidates and to show the public that he is not politically correct which is what they are all wanting to see. He has destroyed the Establishment's anointed one, Jeb Bush, with the backing of tens of millions of dollars.

Read the Guardian, they are desperate, the Establishment is desperate. Media bosses, teenage whizzkids, Blairites, Democrats, Republicans, the Bushes, the Clintons and rooftop wind turbine manufacturers are struggling to come up with ways to stop him. Trump hasn't even taken the gloves off yet, he is going all the way. As Newt Gingrich said

"EXCLUSIVE: Newt Gingrich: ‘The Country Is in Rebellion,’ Trump Can ‘Kick Down the Doors’

Newt Gingrich told Breitbart News that the country is in rebellion against the coastal power centers and that Donald Trump might be the candidate who can “kick down the doors” of the establishment."

Dipankrispaneven · 13/12/2015 10:58

Sure, claig, you said all that stuff about toying with the media about Farage. Does it ever bother you that you keep being proved wrong?

claig · 13/12/2015 11:35

Farage didn't toy with the media. Farage was not serious, whereas I think Trump is serious about winning and he is outwitting all of his Wall Street backed opponents in order to win.

'Does it ever bother you that you keep being proved wrong?'

I was not wrong. I never believed that Farage would become Prime Minister and beat the Establishment, the Oxbridge teams, the politically correct classes. That would be impossible. But UKIP got 4 million votes. But Farage has not got what it takes, just as Corbyn hasn't. The difference is that Trump has got what it takes and wants to "make America great gain" and the panic at the Guardian, at climate change conferemces and in Clinton corridors and Bush bunkers is real.

All of the pundits are still predicting that Trump won't be President. I don't know what will happen, but I think Trump will make it because Trump will play dirty and tell the public the truth. It will be like nothing we have ever seen before. Trump is for real and that is why there is panic about his run.

But Roger Stone says that Hillary will be a formidable opponent backed by Wall Street against Trump. But the reason that Trump will win is because he is not "politically correct", he will go where the puppets dare not go, he will take the gloves off and he will change the world. The Guardian will be in panic, the best brains on the planet will try to stop Trump, but they can't beat the truth, they can't beat the people, they can't beat Trump.

FundraisingPTABitch · 13/12/2015 14:14

claig

My maternal grandparents were Jewish immigrants from Germany to America.

Upon emigrating, they changed their names. They were soo ashamed of who they were they destroyed quite a lot of my family history.

To support Trump is equally supporting his fear mongering. Call it what you like. I call it un-American. I call it hate.

..You are supporting my 7 year old American-British son with a Muslim name to fear never seeing his grandparents again. This is not the case, but he is now fearful of his own name.

You are supporting my children questioning themselves in a way no one should have to question themselves and to look at other people with fear and predetermined notions.

You are supporting a world to look at my children with different filters so that someone can win a popularity contest.

Supporting fear and discrimination is a disservice to the world. It creates more hatred and animosity.

The only thing that will solve terrorism is education, understanding and community. Hope and Belief do not come from bullies.

These are the very things you seem to be against. I wonder where you have been radicalised. 

P.S. My little lovely boy, thinks he needs to change his name, just like my grandparents.

claig · 13/12/2015 15:05

FundraisingPTABitch, you are using fearmongering against Trump and the near 30% of Republican voters who have him as their preferred Republican candidate for President. A Fox poll had Trump on 46% and Clinton on 41% for President of the United States.

The arguments of the best minds in the Guardian that Trump is a fascist hold no water. Trump is not anti-Muslim, he has lots of Muslim friends and business interests in Muslim countries. Trump is is a serious contest to "make America great gain", he intends to "clean house" and restore jobs and prosperity to the American people. There is panic in the Establishment about his outsider run against all of teh bought and paid for insiders in the Beltway. They are in meltdown and are employing every teenage whizzkid they can find to try and smear and insult Trump and the Trumpites, the millions of American citizens who have had enough of the bought and paid for political class who have led to no rise in living standards for over 30 years and to half of American workers slogging their guts out with about 2 weeks' holiday a year for less than $30,000 a year.

Trump will fix it, Trump will shake things up, Trump will kick the bought and paid for political class out.

That is why the black American woman interviewed on Sky News called the Sky reporter over and said "we love Trump, we don't agree with everything he says, but we think he will get the job done".

He will get the job done which is why the Guardian and all the elites across the world are in panic mode at a Trump presidency.

PigletJohn · 13/12/2015 15:12

"Some of my best friends are...."

Dipankrispaneven · 13/12/2015 17:47

How is Trump going to fix anything when he changes his mind all the time and tells lies? The country would be in chaos within days with businesses fighting to move out.

pilpiloni · 13/12/2015 19:18

I think you mean to say he HAD a lot of business interests in the Muslim world, Claig...

PigletJohn · 13/12/2015 19:27

he probably USED to have friends in Mexico, as well. And some women friends. And some Chinese and Black friends.

FundraisingPTABitch · 13/12/2015 21:14

Claig

Trump doesn't know how to clean a house. To clean a house, you need to throw away the trash and clean everything in stages. He wants to burn the house down and rebuild. It can't be done by a marketing campaign, and it definitely can't be done in a double term presidency. Even if he could, it wouldn't be a sustainable model.

Everything Trump does always involves obliterating the original model, a crap load of media and then it gets passed on to others to sort out.

His businesses, whenever the going gets too tough, he files for bankruptcy and starts anew. It's the same way he deals with his personal relationships, marriages and his children. If he had any form of anything long lasting, even consistent forget about regular earnings.

I'm not using fear mongering against Trump. I'm not using anything against Trump. You and Trump are using fear mongering against my children, and your attitude disgusts me. You are totally entitled to think this way. I am entitled to tell you have unsavoury you these views of yours are.

Am I telling everyone that both of you have Nazi attitudes and that you'll join the KKK and lead them to all our houses to cleanse the world? No, I haven't done that.

Have you said that you agree with Trump saying there should be a ban on Muslims? Which equates to: Lets Ostracize a group of people based on physical differences, beliefs and anything else that could flag them as part of a culture, religion and or races. Perhaps even put them all in one place until there has been a decision of what to do with 'them'.

Where would you like to put my family? Would you like to put us in a camp? In a prison?

claig · 13/12/2015 21:40

'Have you said that you agree with Trump saying there should be a ban on Muslims? '

No, I said I disagreed with it and thought it was stupid thing to say and couldn't be done. I don't think he means it,

pilpiloni, if Trump becomes President, I think all those business interests will flourish

FundraisingPTABitch, you may be right about Trump not being capable of fixing things. We will have to wait and see. I think he will be a leader who appoints the right people to do the job. I think he will "get the job done" because he will make sure he gets the best people to fix it.

claig · 13/12/2015 21:56

Latest polls are putting Cruz ahead of Trump in Iowa Sad

Pundits say Cruz has a good ground team Sad

Roger Stone, former Trump aide, says caucus polls are notoriously unreliable Smile

I think there is a month and a half to go.

What is the news on the street in the States? Any MNers from the States can let us know what Trump's prospects are in Oowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina?

pilpiloni · 13/12/2015 22:21

I heard someone compare the Trump campaign to the producers: he can't ruin his own campaign however hard he true to sabotage it Grin

claig · 13/12/2015 22:29

'he can't ruin his own campaign however hard he true to sabotage it' Grin

Amazing. People are saying he may drop in the polls in a few months and everything goes back to politics as usual - bought and paid for etc

Oh well Sad

PigletJohn · 13/12/2015 22:51

Good news from France today.

Dipankrispaneven · 13/12/2015 23:20

No, I said I disagreed with it and thought it was stupid thing to say and couldn't be done. I don't think he means it

Typical claig argument. Whenever Trump, Farage, Piers Corbyn or whoever the latest idol is saying something bloody stupid, it doesn't in any way dent her perception of them because she decides they don't mean it, or they're joking. Trump is running for office with a view to becoming one of the most powerful people in the world, claig: can you seriously not see a problem with someone in that position making a comment like that if he doesn't mean it? Is there any chance of you contemplating the possibility that he does mean it, and that he is saying it (a) because he's a bigot and/or (b) because he's a steaming hypocrite and perceives that it will bring in votes from the more simplistic members of the population?

claig · 13/12/2015 23:32

'Trump is running for office with a view to becoming one of the most powerful people in the world, claig: can you seriously not see a problem with someone in that position making a comment like that if he doesn't mean it?'

Yes I can see a problem with it in that I don't believe it and it is therefore stupid to me, but it is not a big enough problem to me to not like Trump. I like Trump because he is anti-political correctness, common sense, anti-establishment, anti climate change, anti pointless wars, pro jobs, pro America, pro "fair trade not free trade" and pro what I think is real conservatism. No one else is, that is why I like Trump.

'in that position making a comment like that if he doesn't mean it?''

I think he is using it as a strategy to distance himself from the Establshment candidates. He was on Fox just now and they asked him "under what circumstances would you shut down the government" due to finance etc and he said "I don't want to say, I don't want to answer that because I want to be unpredictable, it is the Art of the Deal". That is why I think he says things he doesn't mean and doesn't say things he does mean. I think he knows what he is doing, I think he is smarter than me, I think he will "get the job done".

I don't believe he is a bigot, but he may be using it as a tactic. I don't think it is a good tactic, but he is Donald Trump and I am not.

claig · 13/12/2015 23:47

I don't like any of the others. I hope Trump doesn't blow it by saying something so over the top that his campaign ends as this statement looked like doing until amazingly his polls increased on the back of it. I want Trump to win and change the world for us here too.

I hope this isn't true but am biting my nails hoping to God that he won't blow everything and let another puppet win.

"I heard someone compare the Trump campaign to the producers: he can't ruin his own campaign however hard he true to sabotage it "

They said on the interview that the Establishment were talking about keeping him off the list. He said "I understand them. It wasn't meant to be this way. 7 months ago I was one of the Establishment, writing cheques for senators, writing cheques for puppets. I was supposed to keep writing cheques for them"

I want him not to write cheques, but to right the country and the world and to restore some common sense at last.

pilpiloni · 13/12/2015 23:47

We live in nyc and the parents of one of dd's friends worked for Hillary Clinton back when she was a senator so they're very politically savvy.

They told us today that trump is very unlikely to win the republican nomination but that if he did, it'd be a slam dunk for the democrats - so that was good to hear!

They also said that Hilary isn't anywhere near as hard nosed and fake as she's made out to be, that she's really a good person and excellent politician.

We've arranged to have dinner as we want to hear more HC goss Smile

claig · 13/12/2015 23:53

pilpiloni, yes that is what most of the pundits are saying too, that Trump won't make it.

Hillary is definitely a more savvy politician than Trump, but in the interview Trump mentioned Hillary and Trump is hardball. If Trump makes it to be the nominee, he will play hardball like we have never seen before. Roger Stone is extremely hardball, but so are Hillary's team and Bush's team and everyone's team, that is how it works. But in the final analysis it would be Hillary vs Trump on a stage and I think Trump will make sparks fly and no one will have ever seen anything like it when he takes the gloves off. It is going to be a great contest either way.

PigletJohn · 14/12/2015 00:00

"when he takes the gloves off"

You mean "when he shows his nasty side?"

Judging by his "nice" side, it must be unspeakably vile.

claig · 14/12/2015 00:07

'You mean "when he shows his nasty side?"'

Yes, I think it is going to be very nasty and very dirty. Trump is hardball and so is his team, and so is Hillary's team, but I think Trump wants to win, this is not a John McCain or John Kerry type run, this is the real deal. Trump didn't go through all of this for nothing and he intends to win and that means he will do everything to win and that means it will get nasty. This is not like our "all in it together Oxbridge" politics, this is hardball, United States of America, no messing about, no climate change crap, the real deal.

PigletJohn · 14/12/2015 00:57

yes, his "no climate change" stance is crap

I suppose when/if he fails, the Republican survivors will stampede to disown him.

Dipankrispaneven · 14/12/2015 01:00

Right, claig, it's not a problem to you if a candidate doesn't have the sense to avoid making stupid and inflammatory comments. Ri-ight.