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Fucking parliament. You utter bastards. You're going to kill people and it won't stop anything.

Oh I did, don't worry.

No Sharon, nothing real at all. Eh?

clearly you haven't or you would have something better to do than be working yourself up into such a pitch of glorious trauma

Adult decisions have been taken by adults.

you are just relishing the chest beating and melodrama of the martyred role of the anguished soul you have carved out for yourself.

We can do without this drivel

Sharon, have some fucking compassion. I'm very much on the fence about weather I agree with airstrikes in Syria or not, and I find it completely shocking and sickening that anybody cannot have any compassion or thoughts about innocents being killed in the process of airstrikes, even if they do believe it is the correct protocol.

Have a heart.

Every opinion would change if we had Paris style attacks in Manchester/Leeds/Sheffield

If you mean everyone would become gung-ho bomb the bastards warmongers, then you are simply wrong, not least because some of us don't think bombing Syria is going to stop such attacks.

Pure, unadulterated ignorance from sharon and gone. Actually horrifying.

For 18 months I mean.. Typing on phone. But the point stands. The missiles are so incredibly precise and the guys and girls operating them SO skilled, all this wringing hands and crying about children being killed by carpet bombing is a huge exaggeration at best and at worst a bloody disgrace. Have some respect for our Armed Forces some of you please!

This post WILL end well viiolet, I'm going to scatter so much LOVE and PEACE even on old Samcam/Sharon wotsername and the other people who are mean. And sing cum by yah.

If it has been London that had been hit not Paris, I doubt here would be many against bombing! I was for the bombing. They cannot be reasoned with and our allies have gone to war, therefore we have to support them.

Gone numerous Iraqis have seen American warplanes dropping arms and supplies to ISIS. It's a double-play - most of us in Commonwealth countries have experienced all of this many, many times before. Intelligence forces prey on vulnerable communities to play on historical grievances to produce threats. All sides of a conflict are armed and funded ... all except a select few who have always collaborated (WW2 as well) are left impoverished and economically enslaved by the end of if. It ends with our ruin and families destroyed by war unless we agree to be on the take/in the military too. It was the same with the Nazis. They were funded and armed by the same nefarious interests. Tens of millions of us died and their plan is that we continue to do so.... forever... they will never be sated.

Sharon, have you got a fly and red wine on the wall?

I think it is necessary. I can see no alternative.

We are a target for ISIS whatever we do. The threat level is already there and has been at severe for as long as I can remember.

It isn't a comfortable choice. I am not a warmonger. A couple of years ago I was relieved when we voted against air strikes in Syria. With the surge of ISIS since then though, I have changed my mind. Strategically targeted air strikes are, sadly, the only realistic way forward I can see.

ISIS are no pacifist organisation. Diplomacy and democracy are not in their vocabulary. That is simply not a language they understand. Not even remotely.

I understand all of the arguments against military action. I agree with many if them. ISIS however, does not do diplomacy and negotiation so I feel, uncomfortably, that the right decision was reached.

What does worry me as much as anything else though is the probable lack of a good "afterwards plan" and exit strategy.

Some fucking weirdos on this thread.

OP, I would hide it, you certainly don't deserve that sort of reaction, nor do the others agreeing with you.

I'm not sure who moved the log but I have a feeling there will be more crawling along soon.

Run for the bloody hills.

What is the financial cost of bombing syria even if our government could guarantee that no civilians would be killed.
Wasn't it half a million for each strike. I'm glad I don't pay tax to fund such wars.

Sharon, have some fucking compassion

this isn't compassion. doubt the op even knows what compassion is.

Sorry, but this tripe just makes me so angry.

What is the fucking point of all this "o woe is me, look how much I'm suffering cos I'm so caring and sensitive"

People just need to get real, and behave like adults.

Op's solution.... Get a group of women together to sort it
Lol, only on mumsnet!

Worked in NI.

Wasn't it half a million for each strike. I'm glad I don't pay tax to fund such wars. what do you think taxes are for?

If air strikes are the only solution when will they attack Belgium?

IS is far bigger than just Syria. That's why I consider this an exercise in futility.

Maybe if the uk stopped supplying Daesh with arms....

Missdread - I didn't mean to offend. I do genuinely respect armed forces and their skills. And putting themselves in danger. But I don't believe there will be less harm caused than prevented.

So not only did Cameron have a poppy photoshoped into a photo instead of wearing one, he's forgotten the principal of the thing too.

Lest we forget...

Passme, noone cheered for 'war' because war wasn't the topic of the vote.

The vote was to extend air strikes into Syria. (You DO all know that we have been bombing ISIS in Iraq for months anyway). This has merely extended the area of operation.

If you do not know the difference between 'extending' targeted air strikes and War then, frankly you have no place commenting on this thread.

I agree that the comment about Syrian civilians not being innocent was crass and couter-productive

Being an adult equals acting like a dick.

Who knew?

No was

I mean every opinion would change. To what, I don't know, but there would be calls to do 'something'

Have we all conveniently forgotten the jihadi John beheadings? It's all on the peripheral of 'our backyard'. Wait until it happens here. Because it will. Wonder what public opinion will be then

People just need to get real, and behave like adults.

Good advice, you should tell that Sharon. Oh. Hang on...

MissDread the point is, those air strikes have achieved nothing. To really make a difference we'd need to target Raqqa, where Isis hide behind a human shield of civilians, including innocent children. There will be civilian casualties.