Should the UK bomb Syria? Yes or no thread.

[AnotherEffingOrangeRevel]

Shall we have a little vote, here and now?

It's a big "no" from me.

I keep hearing that bombing 'as part of a longer term strategy' is the right thing to do. Can anyone please tell me what Cameron's longer term strategy actually is, before we rush headlong into war? Or is he wanting approval of bombing before actually outlining his broader strategy, on the proviso that we just trust him? I am genuinely interested to know what his strategy, which includes bombing, includes. Does it, for example, aim to determine the root causes of radicalisation within UK communities? Will it address the thorny issue of how people who were born and raised here prefer to leave their homes and families behind to go to fight for Isis in Syria rather than accepting what the UK has to offer them?

No

Lots of "terrorists sympathisers" on MN then

The OP needs to calculate the % of yes and no responses ;)

A YouGov survey suggests that public support for bombing has declined considerably in the past two weeks. People were understandably angry about Paris in the immediate aftermath. But the iron appears to be cooling - sadly most likely too late to influence the Government's decision.

I signed up to take part in yougov surveys. I highly recommend it. The government ask questions and you can tell when they are working on public opinion to make a final decision. Worth having your voice heard.

The OP needs to calculate the % of yes and no responses ;)

OK, I will try to do a little count later. Unless anyone else fancies counting these up ( and emblazening them on Cameron's smug potato forehead, along with all the other evidence that not many people other than a few idiot MPs want to perpetuate this murderous "war" )?

We can tweet your results op. Happy counting.

The thing is howto many such surveys are cleverly timed. The Government will have been hoping that in the Paris aftermath the public would be angry, vitriolic and more inclined to support military action. Their intention will have been to present the outcome of the survey as evidence that they are acting on the will of the British public. The government headline will be 'majority of British public support military action' rather than 'public support for military action had waned considerably'. As soon as the Paris attacks took place Cameron will have spotted an opportunity to win the sceptics over. He will have immediately set about gathering the evidence that would appear to justify his stance. He's been spoiling for this for at least two years and Paris afforded him a golden opportunity.

No, I haven't heard anyone's views on anything but Syria. Wed need in-depth knowledge of everyone's cosy tea parties to draw inference!

I can thankfully can see through some propaganda and I am sure others on mn can too.

I heard about the yougov surveys from ukipers, joining enmass to sway surveys. I joined to be a voice against them.

As PP posters have sad - ISIS will move on elsewhere

ISIS cannot move on elsewhere. Syria is their centre of gravity. Their entire belief system as a movement revolves around the winning of a climactic battle at Dabiq, around 25 miles north of Aleppo. It's why the glossy monthly magazine ISIS produces, replete with photos of torture and murder, is called Dabiq.

ISIS may be extending its tendrils elsewhere, but it can never survive as an organisation if it is destroyed in Syria.

It may be possible to "defeat" ISIS (although people who know about such things are dubious that air strikes will be enough).

But history tells us that violence begets violence, and that even if ISIS is defeated, the same ideology will emerge under another name. You'd think no one remembered the time (only about 3 years ago) when ISIS were "freedom fighters" and Al Qaeda was the bogeyman.

No

ISIS are an expansionist organisation with dreams of world conquest. If we don't fight them now when they're comparatively small, there's a good chance we'll have to later when they've grown stronger.
It's a Yes from me.

Another no- what the F will it achieve apart from death and destruction of lots more innocent people....and it will continue to fuel the fire of ISIS' hatred for the West

no

No!!!!

No

Another no from me

No.

You'd think no one remembered the time (only about 3 years ago) when ISIS were "freedom fighters" and Al Qaeda was the bogeyman

ISIS were never 'freedom fighters'. ISIS stem directly from the remnants of Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI). The latter was crushed by the US and Iraqi Sunni tribes but the subsequent Iraqi PM, Nouri al Maliki, encouraged their recrudescence, in the form of ISIS, by way of his overtly sectarian policies.

ISIS have never been anything but the enemy.

No

No because we are fighting an enemy that is among us, not in one place in Syria. Bombing will just stir up more hate towards the west. I hope they make the right decision.

Cameron has been asked 12 times to apologise but he has refused.
Link shows MPs asking him to apologise and Cameron getting uppity.

What freedoms are ISIS fighting for?

the freedom to enslave, the freedom to kill at will, the freedom to rape, the freedom to behead, the freedom to perform genoside?